Is this guy dreaming?

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-720631399.htm

or realistic?

$24k is the start but not the reserve.

Mr G Crosby will sell you a fully restored one for $25k. I get that this is original and has patina. But it has a 4 into 1 and stuffed original pipes.

I am genuinely confused. Your thoughts callers?

[unstuck]

Little steep in my opinion, but if I really wanted it, I would pay.

[Trade_nancy]

Yep - overpriced at that. The pipes are a significant feature of bikes like the Z! and CB750 of that era. Plus a motor job done 14 years ago?? I'd be asking $15-$18...and not b expecting to get it in NZ.

[Hashbandicoot]

After my recent experience going to view bikes that are on TradeMe any of them that do not have pictures uploaded of both sides, front and back tend to have some sort of defect on the side you don't see in the photo. If you are interested I would ask for more pictures. I do think it is a little steep - to a collector that price might not be too bad, but if you were to ride the thing I'm not sure.

[iYRe]

they go for more than that on ebay... well, they go for that in USD. There was a mint z1000 from about the same era for 75000$USD few months ago... and that was just the bids..

But yeah, there is a huge market and not many bikes there... Small market here.

[AllanB]

Spied that the other day and thought the same.

But, it's about the same price as a new CBRR GSXR etc. The new ones will devalue as soon as you ride them away, the Kawaka will ultimately increase in value if you hold on to it long enough.

[jellywrestler]

Spied that the other day and thought the same.

But, it's about the same price as a new CBRR GSXR etc. The new ones will devalue as soon as you ride them away, the Kawaka will ultimately increase in value if you hold on to it long enough.

dunno bout that, as time goes by the generation that was familiar with this bike will be too old to bother, there will be a surplus of them and they will go down in value. they're not like the old british stuff that you could leave fort a year, drain one carb bowl and fire into life, these things get stale sitting.

[AllanB]

dunno bout that, as time goes by the generation that was familiar with this bike will be too old to bother, there will be a surplus of them and they will go down in value. they're not like the old british stuff that you could leave fort a year, drain one carb bowl and fire into life, these things get stale sitting.

The Brit stuff that is getting valuable fits the above - 50-60's bikes, unless you are 70 odd you were most likely introduced to motorcycles via small Japanese bikes. As long as you drain the carbs and have fresh oil in it I see little reason why a 70's Jap bike that's sat for a handful of years won't fire up and run well with a change of plugs.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thought that the brit stuff (common or garden) had stayed static in value but it was the jap stuff that was increasing. Expensive brit bikes always are and have been expensive (Manx Nortons, Gold Stars, Vincents, Brough Superiors) but my (very untutored) perception is that classic pommy stuff is fairly good buying. Especially as compared to $15000 H1's and $24k Z1's, and $20k plus SOHC Honda 750's

[AllanB]

Nortons are going up in price, Commandos are fetching $10k plus for clean ones. Bitza Bonnies are still good value.

In 1980 I paid $500 for a tidy pre-owned CB200 Honda - seen a couple go for over $2k recently.

[jellywrestler]

Nortons are going up in price, Commandos are fetching $10k plus for clean ones. Bitza Bonnies are still good value.

In 1980 I paid $500 for a tidy pre-owned CB200 Honda - seen a couple go for over $2k recently.

yap and about two will sell in nz for that price, the rest will get pushed back into the shed. fact is jap stuff didn't give people the experinece they remember, it was all to easy whereas the ole pom bombs needed work all the time and bits interchanged and people spent time with their bikes, not just travelling on them.
about half my bikes are jap, i'm not biased and have been following the hobby closely for years, they eveolved real quick too from 69 to 84 was a volatile time and what was cool in 1975 was not in 77 so there's a very narrow window of what people like. mines 79-82ish when i was able to afford new bikes and dream about the bigger models. before that they were old last seasons bike, after that i'd settled and appreciated them but still had fonder memories of the era i mentioned. brit stuff evolved over a longer period, minor facelifts were suffice for an older model

[HenryDorsetCase]

Good points. You are perhaps a few years older than me: I bought my first new bike in 1987 but up till then had some quite good ones. Interesting the ones I have owned since then have been stuff I didn't own back in the day (SOHC 750 Hondas excepted).

I reckon the stuff to buy now is the 90's stuff: 92 CBR900RR, first R1, even 919 and 954 Blades. There are OW01's floating about and the ZXR750s: all starting to climb in value. Even NC30 and NC35 Hondas.

[Katman]

I reckon the stuff to buy now is the 90's stuff:

No worries - you leave the 80's to me.

[AllanB]

they eveolved real quick too from 69 to 84 was a volatile time and what was cool in 1975 was not in 77 so there's a very narrow window of what people like.

Good point. The Japanese collectibles need to be game changers - CB750 for example. First edition GSXR750 should be but I don't see much interest.

The Z900 fits the bill by capacity only - first real 'big' Japanese superbike.

Sadly I see little future collectibles on the current market unless you buy one of those big bore Honda scooter/motorcycle crossover things they released a couple years back. Reckon there will be f-all about in 20-30 years so it will have rarity value

[jellywrestler]

Good points. You are perhaps a few years older than me: I bought my first new bike in 1987 but up till then had some quite good ones. Interesting the ones I have owned since then have been stuff I didn't own back in the day (SOHC 750 Hondas excepted).

I reckon the stuff to buy now is the 90's stuff: 92 CBR900RR, first R1, even 919 and 954 Blades. There are OW01's floating about and the ZXR750s: all starting to climb in value. Even NC30 and NC35 Hondas.

51 actually.
the stuff to buy now is the stuff that you want, for the reasons you want, otherwise fuck off and let those who enjoy their bikes enjoy their bikes.
i brought a vincent for $30k, 15 year later and after $10K on restoration it's worth twice that maybe, but i'll find it hard to part with. i could've used that $30k, deposit on a house, borrowed the rest, geared it right then 15 years later rung up someone to sell and made way more than $20k not got my hands dirty, not worried where i park it and not became attached to it etc etc.....