Motorcycle safety campaign. Yeah right.

[jono750]

Apparently the police are highlighting 'motorcycle safety' this weekend.
Got stopped by patrol car in Albany today, my bike is legal and I was riding nicely. So while I'm standing there on the side of the road, flashing lights still going.
me:I ask what's the problem?
cont:Motorcycle safety campaign.
cont:Pulls out questionnaire, how often do you ride your bike daily/weekly etc.
me:Whenever I want.
cont:Looks around bike for faults. Continues with questionnaire, are your pants kevlar (jeans).
me:No response.
cont:Are you wearing gloves?
me:Wanting to say - what was I taking off my hands before removing my helmet before getting my license out to take part in this idiocy?
Instead I asked if I wasn't breaking any laws shall I just go?
cont:Sat in his car pretending to be doing shit, probably logging me as a belligerent arsehole.

I don't know what the police are trying to achieve, but if they want to do a pop quiz. It's going to go better without the drama of flashing lights at the side of the road. Unless it's part of their ongoing persecution operation.
How about contracting it out to colmar brunton?, they do fly buys.

[AllanB]

A survey could easily be done via registered motorcycles - post it out, pop up a prize (new helmet/gear/years free rego etc) and the response would (I suspect) be fairly good. That would free up the po-po to pull over drivers/riders who were actually doing something wrong.

Regarding gear such as gloves and adequate footwear I have long been an advocate of this being a riding requirement - fucks me off that ACC pays for fucked up hands if you were not wearing gloves. Thus unless it is a legal requirement I see little value in the police passing comment on gloves (in your case) and the like. Do they ask women what shoes they are wearing when they pull a car over? High heels can be very dangerous to drive in.

[Katman]

Regarding gear such as gloves and adequate footwear I have long been an advocate of this being a riding requirement - fucks me off that ACC pays for fucked up hands if you were not wearing gloves. Thus unless it is a legal requirement I see little value in the police passing comment on gloves (in your case) and the like. Do they ask women what shoes they are wearing when they pull a car over? High heels can be very dangerous to drive in.

I agree with you to a point but.....

I road test bikes at such a rate that the only safety gear I can be bothered grabbing is my helmet. (Although I've already got workbooks on).

Sometimes being really careful at what you're doing is enough to make up for deficiencies in safety gear.

[skippa1]

Nothing gives them the right to detain you unless they suspect you of breaking a law. They certainly can't detain you to do a survey.

am I under arrest? Am I being detained as a suspect?

if not......good bye

[Gremlin]

I forget the stats, but apparently common for motorcycles to be ridden on the wrong class of licence. Common enough at least, to warrant a campaign, which I believe will focus on all aspects, WOF, Rego, Class of licence correct for motorcycle etc. Get used to it, as I believe the campaign is for the whole of March.

Nothing gives them the right to detain you unless they suspect you of breaking a law. They certainly can't detain you to do a survey.

am I under arrest? Am I being detained as a suspect?

if not......good bye

Wrong, they have the power to stop anyone any time, and you are also to follow directions given by an officer. Not really going to bother debating this, as the laws are clear, feel free to make it more complicated if you like, and it's not the topic of the thread.

[swbarnett]

Regarding gear such as gloves and adequate footwear I have long been an advocate of this being a riding requirement - fucks me off that ACC pays for fucked up hands if you were not wearing gloves.

The answer to this is so simple even you might be able to understand it. Let me put it in the form of a question:

Why do ACC pay for fucked riders of these two wheeled death traps?

[skippa1]

Wrong, they have the power to stop anyone any time, and you are also to follow directions given by an officer. Not really going to bother debating this, as the laws are clear, feel free to make it more complicated if you like, and it's not the topic of the thread.

Stop yes, detain for a survey no. You are wrong, and it is totally related to topic. I can't be fucked debating though either, you sit on the side of the road with bacon....I will go about my lawful business

[Wingnut]

I agree with you to a point but.....

I road test bikes at such a rate that the only safety gear I can be bothered grabbing is my helmet. (Although I've already got workbooks on).

Sometimes being really careful at what you're doing is enough to make up for deficiencies in safety gear.

Understood. Although it doesn't make allowance for the deficiencies of all the retarded drivers on our roads....

[Katman]

Understood. Although it doesn't make allowance for the deficiencies of all the retarded drivers on our roads....

I think it does.

If you do it well enough.

[Grashopper]

Apparently the police are highlighting 'motorcycle safety' this weekend.
Got stopped by patrol car in Albany today....

I'm not really seeing the problem. Answer a few questions, have a nice chat and that's it. There's surely worse things to be stopped for.

[Akzle]

Wrong, they have the power to stop anyone any time, and you are also to follow directions given by an officer. Not really going to bother debating this, as the laws are clear, feel free to make it more complicated if you like, and it's not the topic of the thread.

'lawful instruction'
and here we dissolve into debating semantics.
No, you dont have to do anything that anyone else tells you ever. They have only the authority you give them.

Ftp.

[Akzle]

I'm not really seeing the problem. Answer a few questions, have a nice chat and that's it. There's surely worse things to be stopped for.

you may take that attitude. Youre welcome to it.
I dont want to be stopped by anyone at any time for any reason.
unless ive somehow injured someone and am unaware of it.

[AllanB]

The answer to this is so simple even you might be able to understand it. Let me put it in the form of a question:

Why do ACC pay for fucked riders of these two wheeled death traps?

The only valid answer is: because.

Because they charge us ACC on our rego
Because we think we live in the free world and we are intitled to it
Because the ACC system also pays for stupidly.


Personally I don't think it should pay for the stupid. But then we would get into a debate as to the definition of stupid - that could be bad for us all. Fall off your bike doing 120kms per - ACC states that was stupid (must have been, after all you fell off) as you knew the legal limit was 100, thus no ACC.

So we leave it alone and put up with idiots who get pissed and climb into the lion enclosure, get mauled then ACC covers it. People who mow their lawns in jandels and end up in hospital missing a few toes. Are these 'accidents'? I can stand on top of my swivel chair at work doing an impersonation of a ballerina, fall off, get hurt and ACC will cover the 'work place accident'.

We should all be grateful that the attempts to privatise ACC have failed to date - stupid NZ would be fucked - no payouts.

[swbarnett]

Personally I don't think it should pay for the stupid.

This is where your whole argument collapses. Humans, by definition are stupid. It's built in to our DNA. Can you honestly say that you've never been stupid at any time in your life? Some get away with their periods of stupidity without physical injury, some don't. Who are we to judge?



And who makes the judgement as to what's stupid? To some riding a motorcycle is stupid.

[Paul in NZ]

Are these 'accidents'? I can stand on top of my swivel chair at work doing an impersonation of a ballerina, fall off, get hurt and ACC will cover the 'work place accident'.

Your H&S person will definately be having a word with you because if you do that - it will cost the company money and soon, if they don't do something about it and if you keep doing it and really hurt yourself, could mean someone ends up behind bars.

Having said this... Have a quick squizz here..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11209777

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11212617

yes - its all our fault... sigh... let the beatings begin...