The experts speak yet again

[MisterD]

A blip in the statistics is just that - a blip. The numbers are almost never evenly spread over time. A bump now, a dip then; it all levels out in the long run. Start worrying when you see a trend over a statistically significant period.

Well yes, and of course TPTB will spin this to their own ends - frinstance the "safety campaign" (Politics and Law forum), which will then be claimed as a huge success when we get the next random down-tick in accidents. Just like the 4km/h tolerance thing.

[actungbaby]

Yeah, my first response was going to be: which cliche are we talking about here? Is it the guy riding his bike off the outside of a curve, or the guy riding it into a turning vehicle? Talk about cliche!

Yes id thought that to mentioned saturday okay... Did the Turck have its lights working i assume yes as wasint mentioned

Mind you I nearly ran back of a car on the cbr 900rr driver pulled out right like truck whould do. and insteed of looking

For indicator was on assumed going right. and go down the left hand side. poor bastard probley made that fatal erorr.

As you whould not think ur get out braked by ten tonne truck.

I held back to see what car was doing but brakes at that time where only the back and like f@## keep my cool and was fine.

But back the car was getting bigger.u think ur doing what 50 kph its walking pace isnt it not when that happens.


Also, I forgot one bit in what I did say.... It was going to read "... were shit at riding then but thought they were awesome, and they still think they're awesome, but it turns out they're still shit."

True buddy i had no issue with it first time really Think all can fall into that trap but condifence is great thing and focus.

[Tigadee]

So since speed kills, riding a gutless 250cc increases your chances of survival then, I suppose?

[SPman]

In an emergency, you tend to fall back on long term ingrained responses, as your survival instinct tries to take over. If your default setting is crap, your emergency responses will be crap because there normally isn't much time to think, which is why it's more important to learn proper riding techniques early on, and build on them through your riding life, to give yourself a fighting chance if it all turns to shit !

[Katman]

I don't think it has anything to do with the model of bike but rather the degree of throttle rotation. I had a test ride of the latest VF1200 Honda the most powerful bike I have ever ridden and had no problem managing its speed by just not rotating the throttle as much as my smaller bikes 850 and 650.

Yes, but if everyone rode as sensibly as you appear to, we wouldn't be needing to have this discussion.

[Grubber]

Yeah, I reckon that one about the 'born agains' needs changing.
Wouldn't it be refreshing just for once to read:

"There are too many returning riders who used to ride bikes when they were younger and were shit at it then, and it turns out they're shit at it now too."

This does seem to cover it well enough.
I have an example of the very same condition occurring.
Good friend of mine brought another bike after 10 years out of the saddle.
He was a crap rider before and nothing changed when he returned, except he thought he was way better than he was.
Still alive but has been broken up a couple of times.
He still doesn't get it!

[Akzle]

This does seem to cover it well enough.
I have an example of the very same condition occurring.
Good friend of mine brought another bike after 10 years out of the saddle.
He was a crap rider before and nothing changed when he returned, except he thought he was way better than he was.
Still alive but has been broken up a couple of times.
He still doesn't get it!

and hes YOUR friend you say?

[Grubber]

and hes YOUR friend you say?

As opposed to you, yes!
Very good reason for that too i believe.

And i didn't say he was the smartest friend i got, i try and limit the idiots where possible, which is why your still not amongst the list!

[Akzle]

And i didn't say he was the smartest friend i got, i try and limit the idiots where possible, which is why your still not amongst the list!

thankyou. Just, thanks.

[BigAl]

That's very true. But when you throw in the fact that a 1980 GS10000 and a 2014 GSXR1000 are two very different bikes and the 2014 version can be doing twice the speed that the older one could reach between two close corners, things get even uglier.

Simply called.......... 'Evolution'

[pritch]

It seems kinda crazy that a guy in his advancing years can jump on any bike he wants after only doing a 'scratchy test' back in his 20s..

Here is somebody with no concept of the history. There were no scratchy tests then, hadn't been invented yet.

[Banditbandit]

That's my age group and I haven't been through my first childhood yet.

+ 1

i wonder if you old gits actually struggle with communication
or just do it because we're kb and being dicks is always in vogue.

Naaa . we speak pidgin so the younger generation have no idea what we are on about .. you dig man ???

That's very true. But when you throw in the fact that a 1980 GS10000 and a 2014 GSXR1000 are two very different bikes and the 2014 version can be doing twice the speed that the older one could reach between two close corners, things get even uglier.

That's very true ... put them on Harleys instead ...

[swbarnett]

Well yes, and of course TPTB will spin this to their own ends - frinstance the "safety campaign" (Politics and Law forum), which will then be claimed as a huge success when we get the next random down-tick in accidents. Just like the 4km/h tolerance thing.

All too true

[pritch]

Guy I know came into some money, decided to buy himself a bike not having ridden in several decades on account of marriage, buying a house, kids, life, etc. I asked his wife would he like to read some of the riding related books I had. "He'll be alright he'll figure it out."

Next time I saw her, only a couple of weeks later, I asked how it was going. The answer was that the bike was away for repairs.
"What happened?"
"A dog ran out."

Obviously I wasn't there and I didn't see it, but I can't help feeling that a more "with it" rider might have kept the plot upright. Apparently in an emergency situation you only get about 1/3 of a second to decide what to do. Better to be trying to recall something that you read last month, than something you vaguely remember from thirty or more years before.

And thanks Katman, your punctuality was appreciated.

[trustme]

By general consensus we are a country of crap drivers, If that is the case why would we be great riders. The statistics, whether this is a blip or not, tend to suggest we ride about as well as we drive.
Just sayin