mordern litre bike debate...everyones opinions wanted!

[cowpoos]

WT, Loosebruce and the likes will have one answer for you. When you can bring the front wheel up just under power and no clutch while you are doing 160kmph in 3rd.. You know why you've got a thousand.

I am not relating anyone into this sinario but when you have a 600 and if you are the sort of person who runs from the law, you can get away but there is always that little bit of a chance of being caught... On a thousand, you know you OWN the road. You can just blast out of there in a hurry and not worry about a thing.

A thousand looks meaner as well if you like to show off..

When 2 up, a thousand will still be fuken quick where as a 600 will show signs of being slower with the extra weight..

You don't have to constantly ring the neck of the bike like you would with a 600 to go fuken fast.. With a thousand you can still go easy with it while going fast...

I could sit here and have pleanty more reasons to go with a thou.. If I had the money to be able to buy and run a thou, I'd probably out there in Colemans signing myself for a new GIXXER thou right now!

If someone wants a thou, purely for looks or for it's insane performance, then good for them for being able to afford one. They worked hard for their money and it's up to them on what they wish to spend it on. I'm not going to judge them for that.

P.S. I know pleanty of people who can absolutly thrash the hell out of R1s, Gixxer1Ks, CBR1Ks etc on road or race track...

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!

[Funkyfly]

Why do you need to buy a mordern litre bike?


So has all you 1k boys out there got any reason for owning a modern litre bike other than to make yourselves think your faster through the twisties because you have 150-170hp between your legs?

And come on people lets have a good debate/argument here...none of this sitting on the fence crap...I want to know what people think?

If you have to ask you wouldnt understand.

You either get it or you dont. Long live the thou's!

[bugjuice]

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!

oh boy.. here we go...

[oldrider]

Bigger is definitely more appealing but is it always practical? I now ride what is considered by most to be a rather dull machine. It suits both my purse and my purpose. It covers most of the biking experience that I want to have these days and it's very reliable. I guess I'm just a dull old guy now but at least I'm still doing what I like to do. I want to keep doing it as long as I can. When I had big fast bikes I could not resist banging them out to their max at every opportunity and even when the opportunity wasn't really there. On my current steed it will simulate but it is always an event you have to consciously ask the bike to deliver. All the big bikes I have had have volunteered and I have no resistance to their urges.
I am very happy with my little chappy "on both counts". Cheers John.

[Funkyfly]

You can go easy with it and still be going fast? then whats the point of all the power then?

and I really doubt you know any one that can thrash a thou on the road...on the track sure...on the road...I don't thinks so...unless you think thrashing dosn't involve corners? I don't think there would be anyone out there redlining one through the twisties would they !!!!

A classic example of someone who doesnt get it..........

Mate you ever see rossi redlining his bike thru corners? you ever been to the track and red lined a bike thru corners? its not done, and for good reason! it unsettles the bike and doesnt make for a smooth exit.
and if you look at the torque curve on a thou you will notice max torque is much much lower in the rev range than on a 600.

Maybe you should get out with some good thou riders one day, i certainly dont doubt guys can thrash thous on the road, ive seen it!

[cowpoos]

Sorry but what I ment by redlining is being in the 3500-3000 rpm sweet spot of the rev range...

and err...theres a big difference between riding fast and thrashing a bike...

thrashing is riding at or above 9/10th's

and there may be one or two imortals out there that could do that...but they would be earing a wage racing in the weekends

and why would being that high in the rev range unsettle a bike in the corners?

[White trash]

Good subject to disscuss 'Poos. I've owned bikes on both sides of this argument. When I rode a Gixxer Six, my oppinion was that I was going as fast as any road would possibly allow, irrespective of bike size. I wondered what the hell all the fuss was about with a 1000cc machine. The opportunity soon came to get a 1000 and I leapt at it. For the first three weeks of ownership I wondered what the hell I'd done. The power was frightfull, the speeds insane. Gradually, I came to grips with the bike and now, I wont go back I don't think.

I can carry the same corner speed easily as I could on the 600, more with race tyres fitted, and the way the thou' leaps outta corners is unbelievable. You have so much torque available at any given point, you need more speed? Use more throttle. The downside is that they're VERY easy to come unstuck on.

Contrary to popular beliefe, there are people around who can and do use their thousands as they were intended when built. Might not be entirely legal, but they're getting ridden, and hard.

Also, you can't hoist the front at 170kph in 3rd gear on any 600, I don't care how good it is.

[ManDownUnder]

And it's FUN. Each to their own. If it's an ego boost you want and need - go for it. I wanted a powerful sports cruiser as a treat to myself - and that's what I got.

I'm not the fastest or the bestest and can't ride within a hairs breadth of death and carenage as I rocket around corners... I admire those who can for their ability, but I'm not interested in learning to do that for myself.

I had a 550, now I have a 900, and I think it's slightly too big (heavy). Next time I might go for a 750, or maybe a bigger bike with lighter handling...

[bugjuice]

Sorry but what I ment by redlining is being in the 3500-3000 rpm sweet spot of the rev range...

and err...theres a big difference between riding fast and thrashing a bike...

thrashing is riding at or above 9/10th's

and there may be one or two imortals out there that could do that...but they would be earing a wage racing in the weekends

and why would being that high in the rev range unsettle a bike in the corners?

do you ride a diesel then?
not many bikes have a sweet spot that low.. My bike doesn't wake up until at least 7 or 8, and will happily scream it's little lungs out to 16,500.

If you take a corner at 15k rpm, for one, you haven't got much exit speed comin, so you'd find yourself changing mid-corner, which isn't the best idea since sliced bread. Also, at the high revs, the engine braking and accelerating is very harsh, so by screaming into a corner, then backing off or gunning it, there's more chance of breaking the back loose, and that isn't always much fun. Normally, hacking thru corners (obviously depending on the road and corners etc), the revs sit around 7-12k on average, and obvisouly climb exiting the corners

[duckman]

When I bought my 600, I first went for a test ride on the thou. I came back shaking, thinking "how on earth can anyone control that thing" ... So I told the salesman... "I love the bike, but I think I'll take it's little brother".

I'm glad I did this. Slowly I'm getting to used to the 600 and pushing it more and more. (the track days are good for this).... I must admit that I sometimes find myself thinking .. "Wonder if I should get the thou next" ... and I probably will, but not before I feel like I can control the 600 better.

Small steps - Less crashing!!

[cowpoos]

bug....errr....I ment the top 3000-3500rpm...LMAO

as a matter of fact i used to have a diesel quad...polaris...it was a raving joke...it could tow really well...but if you wanted to catch a cow whos going awol...lol...out couldn't out run dasiy...was very economical though...lol

[cowpoos]

I'm surprised LB hasn't repley to this yet

[cowpoos]

and by LB...I mean loosebruce

[madboy]

I am not relating anyone into this sinario but when you have a 600 and if you are the sort of person who runs from the law, you can get away but there is always that little bit of a chance of being caught... On a thousand, you know you OWN the road. You can just blast out of there in a hurry and not worry about a thing.

Is that hard on a 600? Jeez, I'm glad I've got a 636 then

WT has spoken, I now wait with baited breath for Loosebruce to enter the discussion...

Speed is something that you never understand until you get there. I've learnt over the years that just cos you think you're going fast or know "the limits", doesn't mean to say that there isn't someone out there who can wipe the floor with you. The "limits" on a little bike with an average rider will be stalling speed to a thou with a squid on board. It's something I can't understand cos I haven't got there, but I've been around long enough to know that's how it is.

You can argue the physics behind a 600 v 1000 on the corners anyday, but the fact is, if the 1000 can maintain the SAME speed through the corner, then it will be a quicker bike because it got to that corner quicker, and will get to the next corner quicker.

When I bought my bike, I had the choice between an R1 or the 636 - they were literally right next to each other on the used lineup in the shop, and both fit my budget. I ummed and ahhed for a couple weeks, then fortunately (well for me anyway) an unnamed chap had an intimate moment with asphalt right in front of me while using a thou for what only a thou can do... Having a similar personality to this person (prone to exercising the right wrist just cos I can), I felt the 636 would keep me alive a bit longer.

But give me another couple of years and I will have forgotten about that, and will go be back in the same predicament... thou or 6? The 636 ain't slow, 118hp 170g apparently, but believe me, I've gotten very used to that power. Just like Rossi would freak if his machine lost 5hp, that fact that it's still putting out a shedload is irrelevant. Another 50hp would not go amiss between my legs

[loosebruce]

136hp 636 - 142hp K3 1000, fuck off Brett whos fucken leg you trying to pull, the day i see 136hp from the rear wheel of a 600 i'll buy it, try 114.7hp at the rear wheel on your 636 and the K5 is up over the K3 and has 158.1 (quoted from Superbike magazine.
ANd then if you want to get techy about it, torque 47.2ft-lb@11,325rpm on the 636 and 83.9ft-lb@9,046rpm K5, thats getting close to double the torque, and thats what makes a bike so fucken fast, look at Busa's and the like, peak power isn't that much more than a litre sportsbike but torque is more.

Litre sports bike + Wet twisties roads = No fun!! - Bull Shit, if you cant ride it'd be no fun, i love riding my thou in the wet and it's a piss of peice to go fast, the thou has so much more torque you dont have to be up in the revs to go fast, same as a twin, lazy almost, i had more moments in the wet on my TL than the GSXR, and plus when you want to getting it un stuck and lighting it up to the next corner can be quite fun on the GSXR. But no doubt i'd be alot quicker in the wet on a 1000cc over a 600cc.

I too used to believe that i'd be just as fast on any given road on a 600cc over a 1000cc but thats a crock of shit, as WT said the way the 1000cc launches out of a corner is second to none, i dont think there'd be much diff on the road when flicking a 1000cc about as to a 600cc, they're almost the same weight and size to begin with.

Why the 1000cc, cause on the road nothing can touch it in a straightline and as MR said getting away from .......... is rather easy (choppers on the other hand) i go to the track whenever i can afford it, and like WT said there are people out there who ride 1000cc hard on the road. Wheelies, fuck this thing is the shizzle for wheelies, and stoppies and whatever else the hooligan in me likes to do, 600cc are good but the 1000cc is a step above.

And to add to the debate as of late there's been no 600's in my mirrors through any section of road, there used to this orange 750cc but thats falling behind now too . Although i would say that a 600cc with me ol mate WT aboard would be giving me a run for my money.

So my conculsion is this, 600cc are fucking amazing machines and more than enough for a lot of people but you're going have to be a pretty damn good rider to kick it with a more than capable rider on a 1000cc. I know on a 600cc i wouldn't be as fast as i am on 1000cc - FACT