Lane splitting crackdown in Wellington?

[Madness]

What's wrong with using the train?

Taggers.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ssenger-train?

[swbarnett]

You crash a lot more than I do.

Even if true, how is that relevant to what I said?

[swbarnett]

One.

In how many kms and years?

[nzspokes]

Even if true, how is that relevant to what I said?

Answer the question.

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[swbarnett]

Answer the question.

You crash a lot more than I do.

I don't see a question?

The issue referred to was that of personal responsibility and one's right to do whatever the fuck you like if the only potential direct victim is yourself. You have yet to state how our relative crash rates are relevant to this.



To answer the implied question. Since 1982 I've done about 30,000km per annum with 10 years with no bike in the middle. That's 24 years of riding and about 720,000km. In that time I've had one incident that I would consider an actual accident (got rear-ended at an intersection while doing about 20kph). Other than that I dropped the bike a time or two very early in my riding career.

[Maha]

I don't see a question?

The issue referred to was that of personal responsibility and one's right to do whatever the fuck you like if the only potential direct victim is yourself. You have yet to state how our relative crash rates are relevant to this.



To answer the implied question. Since 1982 I've done about 30,000km per annum with 10 years with no bike in the middle. That's 24 years of riding and about 720,000km. In that time I've had one incident that I would consider an actual accident (got rear-ended at an intersection while doing about 20kph). Other than that I dropped the bike a time or two very early in my riding career.

Your 24 years or riding verses spokes 5 years? you could have had 6 crashes to be on average with him.

[Jin]

Answer the question.

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Answer the question. In how many kms and years.

[nzspokes]

Answer the question. In how many kms and years.

6 years teens to early 20s. At a guess 18,000ks a year. Recently, 6 years and 30ishk a year. Dont bother counting these days.

[rua]

It was brought to my attention this afternoon that the gorge and sh1/2 now has increased monitoring, mainly due to 99% of road users ignoring the longstanding 70 zone.

I'm not complaining, the rules are clear about that. Not the ginger and he was pretty reasonable.

My ticket is in the mail as a reminder, maybe something to bear in mind.

Not specifically splitting related but a general heads up.

[BuzzardNZ]

It was brought to my attention this afternoon that the gorge and sh1/2 now has increased monitoring, mainly due to 99% of road users ignoring the longstanding 70 zone.

I'm not complaining, the rules are clear about that. Not the ginger and he was pretty reasonable.

My ticket is in the mail as a reminder, maybe something to bear in mind.

Not specifically splitting related but a general heads up.

New fixed speed cameras? If so, whereabouts?

[yevjenko]

New fixed speed cameras? If so, whereabouts?

Not yet. They will be in the gantries though

[R650R]

Re lane splitting....

It seems through countless gopro and media footage that its fine for cyclists to lane split and pass on the inside with very much the same or more speed differential than a motorcyclist would lane splitting. And then its the car drivers fault if they turn and knock the cyclist off.
I think theres an angle we can exploit here to make lane splitting fully legit....

[rastuscat]

Re lane splitting....

It seems through countless gopro and media footage that its fine for cyclists to lane split and pass on the inside with very much the same or more speed differential than a motorcyclist would lane splitting. And then its the car drivers fault if they turn and knock the cyclist off.
I think theres an angle we can exploit here to make lane splitting fully legit....

Cycling up the left hand side of a line of stationary vehicles is legal. Always has been.

Riding a cycle at 30 kmh past a queue of cars doing 25 is not legal.

A cycle is classified as a vehicle. Some laws specify "vehicle" while others specify "motor vehicle".

For example it's illegal to use a cellphone while cycling as the Road User Rule on cellphones uses the term "vehicle". But you can't be convicted of excess breath alcohol on a bicycle as the Land Transport Act section which deals with drink drIrving specifies "motor vehicle".

All that aside, it's basically technicalities which even a lot of cops don't understand. Expecting the average cop to understand the intricacies of legislation as it relates to cycling is just a waste of time. Most cops don't give a toss.

Same re motorcycling. Most cops don't, so don't really fully understand those motorcycle specific rules.

When I deliver the Ride Forever courses I always cover whether it's legal to ride in cycle lanes and bus lanes. Amazing how few motorcyclists actually know the answer.

Few can tell the actual law even on following distances. The old 2 second rule gets trotted out.

Just don't expect everyone to be an expert. And don't expect what happens out in the real world to align with the legislation.

[R650R]

Cycling up the left hand side of a line of stationary vehicles is legal. Always has been.

Riding a cycle at 30 kmh past a queue of cars doing 25 is not legal.

A cycle is classified as a vehicle. Some laws specify "vehicle" while others specify "motor vehicle".

For example it's illegal to use a cellphone while cycling as the Road User Rule on cellphones uses the term "vehicle". But you can't be convicted of excess breath alcohol on a bicycle as the Land Transport Act section which deals with drink drIrving specifies "motor vehicle".

All that aside, it's basically technicalities which even a lot of cops don't understand. Expecting the average cop to understand the intricacies of legislation as it relates to cycling is just a waste of time. Most cops don't give a toss.

Same re motorcycling. Most cops don't, so don't really fully understand those motorcycle specific rules.

When I deliver the Ride Forever courses I always cover whether it's legal to ride in cycle lanes and bus lanes. Amazing how few motorcyclists actually know the answer.

Few can tell the actual law even on following distances. The old 2 second rule gets trotted out.

Just don't expect everyone to be an expert. And don't expect what happens out in the real world to align with the legislation.

Some very interesting points. Hence why awhile back I mooted the idea of binning all the various specific offences and replacing with driving/riding in an unsafe manner.
So the two second rule is urban legend, another roadcode 'interpretation' touted as law???? So we just need to able to stop safely at any given time? What I find interesting is the number of people who will become preoccupied with the following vehicle at slower speeds eg 40 in a 50 or 70 in a hundred. In those circumstances your relative physical distance closes dramatically but due to slower speed your still actually two seconds apart. The oppositie end of the spectrum is two formula one cars doing over 300km/h that might only be 0.2 seconds apart but a very significant 'safe' physical following distance.
Yep us truck drivers are very glad of the lack of knowledge by the general duties staff and even highway cops, there are heaps of truck specific offences easy to be caught on.

Back to cyclists then... in the case of the classic car turning left into carpark or side street if they are in front of the cyclist at the commencement of the turn then the cyclist is technically overtaking and in the wrong????
Yet we hear of this situation all the time and its the evil car drivers fault.... I'm pushbiking to work these days but utilise the urban guerrilla method or basically just ride like the way we did as kids. 90% footpath and cycleways giving way to pedestrians and all other traffic and 10% deserted empty industrial roads. So I've had no near misses or anything worth writing home about as I'm assuming all responsibility for where my 'vehicle' is and not letting random other factors in.

[rastuscat]

Ah, the old 2 second rule.

When I ask my groups what the legal following distance is at 50 kmh they mostly come back with the 2 second rule.

I then word them in on the Road User Rule, and tell them that the 2 second rule is a great idea, and it's in the Road Code, but it's not law.

Then I reel a 20 metre tape measure out behind a vehicle in the car park, everyone laughs and agrees that nobody leaves 20 metres at 50 kmh. They generally agree on about 9 or 10 metres.

Imagine their surprise when I tell them that at 50 kmh you are travelling at 13.8 metres per second, and in 2 seconds you travel 27.6 metres.

So the law says 20 metres and nobody does it. But the 2 second rule asks for 27.6 metres..........

Lots of folk know the 2 second rule, few ever apply it.

And it's not just about stopping in time. If you are too close you reduce your visibility of other things, and reduce other road users view of you. That's a far bigger issue.

Which is why I bang on about following distance.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303092.html