Motorists swerving at bikes

**TheDemonLord** · 21st May 2014, 10:20

Originally Posted by Katman

You've already proven you can't lane split safely.

Perhaps you should stick to public transport.

Oh I see,

Not only are you pretentious, but also you appear to be the lord high priest of Motorcycle riding*

*except you haven't seen me ride, you haven't got any evidence to support your claims other than the fact that I posted on here to say that I locked the front brake while filtering and came off.

So kindly get off your high horse, Remove whatever you have wedged high in your colon and move along.

**Katman** · 21st May 2014, 10:21

Motorcyclists inability to lane split/filter safely (and the bitching and moaning they direct at other road users to mask their own inadequacies) will only lead to one thing - any form of lane splitting/filtering will become illegal.

It's time motorcyclists stopped and realised that the onus is on them to split/filter in a safe and considerate manner.

**Katman** · 21st May 2014, 10:22

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Not only are you pretentious, but also you appear to be the lord high priest of Motorcycle riding*

Are you new here?

**TheDemonLord** · 21st May 2014, 10:30

Originally Posted by Katman

Motorcyclists inability to lane split/filter safely (and the bitching and moaning they direct at other road users to mask their own inadequacies) will only lead to one thing - any form of lane splitting/filtering will become illegal.

It's time motorcyclists stopped and realised that the onus is on them to split/filter in a safe and considerate manner.

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.

**Katman** · 21st May 2014, 10:35

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.

Reread the post again.

**swbarnett** · 21st May 2014, 10:43

Originally Posted by Berries

Maybe they should, but many won't. There are two or three lanes for traffic so people expect two or three lanes of traffic. As soon as you make it four by splitting you shouldn't be surprised when someone closes the gap. Perhaps they were moving over for a bike on the other side of them?

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by Berries

Any rider who wags his finger at me and taps my mirror when splitting is likely to find the gap smaller next time. Arrogant wanker. Poor bloke following might be in for a surprise as well. Perhaps that is the reason motorists swerve at bikes and close gaps, previous experience with arseholes?

Pot, meet kettle.

**buggerit** · 21st May 2014, 10:53

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Have had a couple - but most I think are people being dumbasses as opposed to deliberately swerving at me.

The most recent one was whilst filtering, and someone just casually moving over as I am almost right on top of them. Slowed down and tapped their wing mirror with my finger as a gesture of 'Look in your fucking mirrors next time you twat'

A friendly wave may have been more productive, calms you down, driver realises they have made a mistake and you are telling them you noted their mistake but have a nice day, driver is left calm and without agro feelings towards bikers and a self reminder to check mirrors.

**Mike.Gayner** · 21st May 2014, 11:14

....and another thread devolves into usual KB bitch fighting.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st May 2014, 11:17

Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner

....and another thread devolves into usual KB bitch fighting.

bitch fight?

I haven't even begun to pull out my Handbag....

**haydes55** · 21st May 2014, 11:30

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

There is an onus on us - I agree, but there is also a responsibility for every car driver to ALSO drive in a safe and considerate manner - something that is often neglected in the filtering debate.

Exactly..... So ride to accommodate for the drivers who don't take responsibility.

As the vehicle being where you shouldn't be, it is your responsibility to make sure you do so safely, expect the worst, prepare for any situation and get out alive.

If you expect every driver to check there wing mirrors, you will end up under a car. I remember talking with a girl at work a few years back, she had just sat her full license, she said "I was so nervous, I didn't know when I was supposed to look in my wing mirrors, so I just looked at them every 30 seconds to be safe"....... This girl had sat her full license, and the first time she ever used her wing mirrors was in her full test. No doubt she now ignores them.... And chances are you lane split past her on your commute. Worst of all, she is not alone..... Aside from the fact she is a twin.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st May 2014, 11:48

Originally Posted by haydes55

Exactly..... So ride to accommodate for the drivers who don't take responsibility.

As the vehicle being where you shouldn't be, it is your responsibility to make sure you do so safely, expect the worst, prepare for any situation and get out alive.

Yes - I agree - however, the point I was making is that condoning or advocating for drivers who fail to take responsibility isn't right.

Yes I ride to survive and Yes sometimes that means taking proactive action to make sure that Mr Derp doesn't end up with bits of me smeared over his car - but we can also whilst accepting the risks of riding, talk about how it shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the rider to make sure they are safe and a greater emphasis should be placed on car drivers to drive in a safe and considerate manner

**Katman** · 21st May 2014, 11:51

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

....but we can also whilst accepting the risks of riding, talk about how it shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the rider to make sure they are safe and a greater emphasis should be placed on car drivers to drive in a safe and considerate manner

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st May 2014, 12:03

Originally Posted by Katman

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.

Allow me to ride with an RPG7v2 for a couple of months and $10 says it will make a difference....

As soon as the consequences of bad driving are felt by the culprits, we will see driving improve - either by people learning from the mistakes of others, or by Darwinian evolution

**swbarnett** · 21st May 2014, 12:06

Originally Posted by Katman

Why? It won't make the slightest bit of difference.

The only person you have control over is yourself.

I think you're both correct. Yes, by all means hold drivers to account when they act in a dangerous manner. At the same time the ONLY person ultimately responsible for a rider's safety is the rider.