Speed and tolerance

[schrodingers cat]

Living here in ChCh my tolerance for road works has dropped considerably. Specifically sections waiting for who knows what.
I totally agree that when people are working then the 30kph limit is spot on.
Section after section of road littered with cones and shit is painful

[BigAl]

.... (they even get paid to paint 'the gaps' what a rort

Ummmm, wouldn't mind knowing how you 'paint a gap'

[MVnut]

Ummmm, wouldn't mind knowing how you 'paint a gap'

they get paid by the metre and the price is worked out according to the price of paint......so when there are gaps ie not a continuous line, they get paid to paint even where there is no paint. Hence I call it getting paid to 'paint' the gaps

[Scuba_Steve]

Instead of bouncing esnails about how about we sit and have a beer and sort out our differences

If I'm ever done that way then sure, would love to. Might even be able to have you see the error of your view, tho a slim chance I'm sure.
Oh & lets make it something with alcohol in it, maybee vodka & donuts

The rationale behind comp stops is that people occasionally fail to see something before driving out in front of it. If someone stops, that gives them a greater chance to see the thing that is coming.

That's all well & good until they become the "boy who cried wolf" (like alot of road "safety" nowadays) too much of anything sees people ignoring it; stop sign runners, red light runners, yellow line crosses, temp sign ignorers
The people in charge of the roads really need to go back & learn that old tale, & probably best if they learnt about roads & traffic too.

Obviously not aimed at you, you at-least seem to understand too much is a bad thing hence your submission to council.

[Magnum Noel]

I quite often do the feet up stop at junctions, proper stop, too. None of this rolling nonsense. Prolly get done for reckless & failure to stop.

Norra lorra speed or tolerance in this thread so far. Have another crack at it Rastus, staying on topic compulsory.

Nobody has mentioned speeding up on passing lanes yet. Starter for 10? That's my fav gripe at the mo. Spend weeks following at <80kmh & whoa, passing lane, they hoof it to >110kmh. Rips my nightie no end.

I think this rips every-ones nightie. I've come to the conclusion that they don't actually realise that they are doing it. Their brain registers a wider path ahead and the foot goes down on the pedal until that path closes and they have very little room to drive their Yarris without hitting on coming traffic or road side markers. After much thought its the only reason I can think of.

[scumdog]

Because nobody thinks they are fallible, we fail to understand the stop sign rationale.

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The crux of the matter!

Hmm, one of the 'bad' intersections for crashes in town here is controlled by a Stop sign.

Yet I've seen camper vans (and others) go straight through the intersection at 50 odd kph like they have the right-of-way...

[SMOKEU]

Yet I've seen camper vans (and others) go straight through the intersection at 50 odd kph like they have the right-of-way...

I hope you charged them with every single offence possible, and tried to get them screwed over by the courts as best you could.

[swbarnett]

Gotta a couple up here. Both with a blind crest to your left, one is a crossroads with a slow vehicle bay on the hill , it's 100kmh going to 70kmh at the brow of the hill / crossroads/ stop junction. Slow vehicle bay coming up the hill to your right, too. Not a place for glancing. The speed limits are most definitely just a suggestion. Somebody has to get to the front at any cost! It's quite common to have that somebody going through the junction at 120+ from either direction.

I have thought of one near me (cnr Harrisville and Buckland Rds near Tuakau for those that want to look it up) that does require a full stop to be totally safe as the crossroad has a dip on both sides and you really have to wait a few seconds to make sure noone's hiding. So yeah, there may be a few but the vast majority should be give ways.

[swbarnett]

I wanted them replaced with Give Ways. That we we could enforce the shit out of the remaining comp stops, the ones that need it, and the rest would be sorted out after the crashes happened. It got as far as the local council, who smiled and that was it.

Unsurprising really. This is just far too sensible for a politician to get behind.

[Berries]

Grow up Berries, you are in Dunners, probably have no idea what intersections I'm referring to

I actually Googled the Shands/Marsh intersection earlier and thought yeah, I probably wouldn't come to a complete stop if I was turning left on to the main road there either. Looks to me like your standard rural cross roads with misleading power lines running across the main road. I suspect it was give way controlled once and they had crashes so they built the islands on the side roads to stick more give way signs up. And then they still had crashes so went to stop signs. And guess what, people are surprised that they still have crashes. To solve the problem you improve the visibility by removing the trees, reduce the visibility to make sure people do slow right down or you do the decent thing and throw lots of dollars at it, if it really is a problem. I'll gaze in to a crystal ball and say that if you continue to have crashes there you will get some flashing signs next and then a lower speed limit. And still get crashes.

My problem is the enforcement of bullshit stop controls. You know the ones (well you might not, but the the other 95% might), the ones that get enforced the most for the very fact that they are bullshit and people ignore them. Failing to stop at a stop sign is not a crash causing offence. Failing to give way at any intersection is. Anybody who fails to give way at an intersection, whether stop, give way or uncontrolled, and causes another person on the main road to deviate their path or their speed should get 50 demerits. Full stop. Then you can leave the arguments about whether a person completely stopped their wheels turning or put both their feet down or whatever and concentrate on reducing crashes and improving driver behaviour rather than just issuing tickets and raising money with no measurable safety benefits. It may give the Police some kudos as well, rather than the flak they face enforcing this crap at intersections that don't deserve it.

[rastuscat]

I have shares in a large finance company that owns all the motorcycle boot manufacturers.

I want everyone riding a bike to stop at stop signs so they wear their boots out quicker.

Yawn. Back to the grind.

[Erelyes]

I'm training a couple of cops on how to use radars. We've done about 10 hours of practical training so far, 10 to go.

Rastus, observing two lanes of traffic travelling in the same direction, would you pull over
A) A car doing 90 in the 'fast' lane when the 'slow' lane is free
B) A car that, after travelling behind the above vehicle for a short while, passes at 110 in the 'slow' lane
C) Meh?

[R650R]

I find it quite amusing when people want others to absolutely obey certain road rules while disregarding many themselves.
I always stop at stop signs and red lights when safe to do so but there was a time when at certain juctions at night in the truck it was free for all.
Then one day a memo came out to the company that the cops were going to start enforcing red lights at night. This was back in the days of rocking down SH27 at XXX km'h in truck with bulging curtains and the cops would just blip lights to slow down, no tickets...
Stopping doesn't guarantee that someone has looked properly and that is a bigger problem especially at our local deathtrap by Napier airport. The number of times I've come through there, seen someone do proper stop, but not look properly then pull out... you get a feel (touchwood) for the type of driver that does it after awhile and expect it in a defensive manner.

Intersection design abortion 1 https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.4.../data=!3m1!1e3

Intersection design abortion 2 https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.5.../data=!3m1!1e3

BTW the local Hastings council has randomly dropped the speed limit on many perfectly good roads to 80k so be aware if visiting...

[T.W.R]

I have shares in a large finance company that owns all the motorcycle boot manufacturers.

I want everyone riding a bike to stop at stop signs so they wear their boots out quicker.

Yawn. Back to the grind.

You'll only get that from the chumps that drag their feet when taking off from a stop

[Akzle]

BTW the local Hastings council has randomly dropped the speed limit on many perfectly good roads to 80k so be aware if visiting...

hahahahaha.
Thats a 'safer speed'.

At leas thats what the big signs say on the 3 LANES WIDE, STRAIGHT AS FUCKERY road south of auckland, heading east.
Safe. Lol.
Ban townies from owning or using vehicles. Problem fucking solved.