Of course this couldn't happen here

[george formby]

Very hard to avoid that one..... one of those reasons why even though you don't plan to crash... gear is good.

IMO -and easy to say in hindsight, but hard to do in practice.... you swerve .

Seein as he hit the back of the car, as said and outlined previous, yeah, possibly.
Dunno. If it were me on my bike, baring in mind it's weight, braking performance (lack of) and my glacial reaction time I would probably have cut the car in half.

Would like to hear the thoughts of a life long cat food member on this. They do the most training. Still reckon it would be a bin for over 90% of riders.

[PrincessBandit]

Looking at that vid the car was clearly visible to the riders (take from that whatever you will), even if the riders weren't "visible" to the driver. Yes, yes, we all know how blind and unaware some road users can be.
I'd have probably hit the car - by the time I'd thought "shit, don't hit it, don't hit it" my focus would still have been on the car and my swerving skills aren't probably too hot. Some other riders may have avoided it though, depending on speed and maneuverability skills.

What's that old saying so beloved on this site? Oh, that's right - "ride like every other idiot on the road is out to kill you"...

[george formby]

Looking at that vid the car was clearly visible to the riders (take from that whatever you will), even if the riders weren't "visible" to the driver. Yes, yes, we all know how blind and unaware some road users can be.
I'd have probably hit the car - by the time I'd thought "shit, don't hit it, don't hit it" my focus would still have been on the car and my swerving skills aren't probably too hot. Some other riders may have avoided it though, depending on speed and maneuverability skills.

What's that old saying so beloved on this site? Oh, that's right - "ride like every other idiot on the road is out to kill you"...

If we honestly did that we would all take the bus. We can but try.

[george formby]

I know what I would've done. I'm not saying it would've worked in that situation but it has worked for me in similar ones.


3. Massive countersteer to the right - to the point that if you keep going you'll fall over.
4. Just when you are about to get to the point of no return (or sooner if you're far enough right) stop youself falling with a massive countersteer to the left.

You forgot to mention climbing round the bike like a midget on a greased pig. Well, that's what sprang to mind when I did it.

[R650R]

Hard to measure things accurately via youtube but I give him the benefit of the doubt of doing best he could, brake light came on fairly quick.
Been in similar situations twice that are burned into the memory banks, both times just panic braked on front and did mother of all stoppies.
She was indicating (they are good for that in UK) so maybe rolled off earlier but we don't know how early he could see her properly.

[skippa1]

My observation, it looks like the speed the bikes are doing is faster than the cars that are on the road. Speed may be a contributing factor, along with the muppet driver.

[BigAl]

Hello Katman I question and a few others are also interested on your advice on avoiding this situation.

He's too busy polishing his mobility scooter and preparing a safety briefing for the Aunty Agnis retirement home with the promise of some poontang.

[biketimus_prime]

Jeez! What a video, can't believe he got up and held his cool, I would have punched a baby!

Whenever I see cars that might turn in front of me from the right, I slow down and move to the left of my lane, or if from my left I move to the right of my lane.

Recently though, nothing scarier than a grandma about to pull out on your left and a bus that wants to turn from your right. You don't want to slow down in case they think they can make the turn, you don't want to speed up in case they make the turn.

[PrincessBandit]

If we honestly did that we would all take the bus. We can but try.

True, but doesn't stop people from spouting it.

[george formby]

Jeez! What a video, can't believe he got up and held his cool, I would have punched a baby!

Whenever I see cars that might turn in front of me from the right, I slow down and move to the left of my lane, or if from my left I move to the right of my lane.

Recently though, nothing scarier than a grandma about to pull out on your left and a bus that wants to turn from your right. You don't want to slow down in case they think they can make the turn, you don't want to speed up in case they make the turn.

There in lies the rub. Mights, maybes, could do. Minimising your risk.
Poor bugger in the vid had a split second to save the day. Somebody said they counted 2 seconds from the car moving to impact. I think that is generous.
IMHO the rider did pretty good, could have got a lot more lurid. Those toyota doors are made of tin foil, he did a quick Cirque du Soleil thing & bounced up like Wolverine.
The whole thing is on vid, he has some scrubbage on his expensive leathers & will, hopefully get paid out for front end damage & plastics. Unless it can be proven from the footage he was speeding.
If you had happened to glance at your speedo at the time, scratch your nuts, spot a fruit bat in one of the trees, etc, your reaction space would have gone.
Minimising your risk is the be all & end all but unfortunately has no guarantees.

A good case for fully comp insurance me thinks.

[pritch]

True, but doesn't stop people from spouting it.

That's because the basic idea is sound. Some people word it differently, but you should never trust that the other road users actually know what they are doing, or are awake, intelligent, or even sober. They may well be none of the above.

[Tazz]

That's because the basic idea is sound. Some people word it differently, but you should never trust that the other road users actually know what they are doing, or are awake, intelligent, or even sober. They may well be none of the above.

Exactly! That's why I never trust those bloody bus drivers and take my bike

[FJRider]

True, but doesn't stop people from spouting it.

I think the whole idea in saying it ... is to get it firmly in our heads that "IT" can/does/will happen to us ALL ..

The feeling of some riders ... a lot of riders even ... that it can't/wont happen to "ME" ...

And ... when it does happen ... as it IS happening ... the element of disbelief that it is happening to THEM ... slows the brain down to not be doing something about it. The usual first thought as "IT" is happening ... is that THEY are in the wrong (and know it) and they will stop in time.

SOME times they do ... some times they don't. Those that try to guess which option will happen ... better hope it's their lucky day.

[FJRider]

... & will, hopefully get paid out for front end damage & plastics. Unless it can be proven from the footage he was speeding.

Paid out from whom .. ??? The drivers or the riders insurance company ... ???

Proving (or alleging) he was speeding ... wont automatically decrease/remove the ability of getting any insurance payout from any policy. (His or theirs) Policy wordings in their respective policy IS important though.

If neither had insurance ... the likely hood of any payout is slim. (Regardless of who is at fault) and may need court action to get ...

[Kendoll]

Wow, as mentioned by many, possibly avoidable but at a stretch, either by adjusting road position, masterful swerving, cager mind reading (not much to read I bet) or superhuman brake reactions.

...All I know is, I would've punched that stupid bitch right in the ovaries. Straight shot to the babymaker.