Of course this couldn't happen here

[Ender EnZed]

I almost certainly would've hit the car but there's no way that was an "unavoidable" accident.

[Murray]

The more I look at maybe (just maybe) if he was aware no cars were behind the car cutting in front of him he may have swerved to the right into the oncoming lane. I had accident coming round corner with woman driver coming across into my lane I clipped right hand front of her car (big bank on left hand side no where to go and she hit me in left hand tyre track my side of road). If (and I wonder) I was aware whether any cars were behind her and I had gone into the oncoming lane would I have missed her or would she have corrected and hit me full on?? Dont know - so many things in a split second?? KATMAN where are you on this one

[george formby]

The more I look at maybe (just maybe) if he was aware no cars were behind the car cutting in front of him he may have swerved to the right into the oncoming lane. I had accident coming round corner with woman driver coming across into my lane I clipped right hand front of her car (big bank on left hand side no where to go and she hit me in left hand tyre track my side of road). If (and I wonder) I was aware whether any cars were behind her and I had gone into the oncoming lane would I have missed her or would she have corrected and hit me full on?? Dont know - so many things in a split second?? KATMAN where are you on this one

Very, very quiet.

Nothing from the pro's either. Still like to hear an instructors opinion on it.

Like you say, if you know whats happening front & back you get options. I'm like a bloody owl watching my road space, front & rear, but still not convinced I'm registering everything I could. That doubt would temper my reaction.

We should have a poll. Swerve or anchors. If swerving, right or left. That's a big driveway.

[Katman]

KATMAN where are you on this one

The car driver was indicating her intention. The fact that she turned across in front of the motorcyclist shouldn't have come as a surprise to him.

Unfortunately, it looks like it took him completely by surprise. It doesn't look as though he made any effort to stop or avoid her.

As has been said already, his positioning leaves a little to be desired. He should have moved further to the left and maybe that movement across the car driver's view may have been enough for her to suddenly see the bike.

[george formby]

Indicated her intention how? Dunno how to slow mo youtube. The light in the aftermath is a brake light. Left light is bwoken.

Looks like his brake light comes on pretty quick. As for being surprised then any car & driveway combination could reduce you to walking pace. Fair enough, too. The more that's going on the slower I go.

Moving to the left would have increased the size of his target unless he intended riding through that gap.

I'm just spouting scenarios. See no sign of an indicator in the vid but my skills are limited on a poota, too.

Still a case of may & might Be's IMHO.

[James Deuce]

Ha! Completely Katman was rational!


Unlike me and sheep!

[Katman]

The light in the aftermath is a brake light.

The light in the aftermath is a brake light and an indicator.

[FJRider]

If you rely on your conscious brain in this sort of situation then you need to train your brain. I have gotten out of situations not dissimilar to this without even knew I was doing it.

The subconscious brain is thousands of time faster than the conscious.


As I've hinted at about above, using your subconscious is not "not thinking" it's using your brain in the way it was built. If humans relied on the conscious brain all the time we would've died out many millenia ago.

I think it's more to do with experience ... and practice ....


Getting in the shit often enough ... to get to know how to stay at a safe depth ...

[george formby]

The light in the aftermath is a brake light and an indicator.

Not going to argue the point but after going through it as slowly as I could I saw no orange & no flashing. I did look. Could be SMIDSY on my part.

[Katman]

Not going to argue the point but after going through it as slowly as I could I saw no orange & no flashing. I did look. Could be SMIDSY on my part.

If you frame by frame the video you can clearly see that the indicator is blinking.

[george formby]

If you frame by frame the video you can clearly see that the indicator is blinking.

That is where I fail & fail to argue with you. Cheers.

So brake or swerve?

[FJRider]

The car driver was indicating her intention. The fact that she turned across in front of the motorcyclist shouldn't have come as a surprise to him.

Perhaps ... under UK legislation ... when turning right (and indicating so) gives you right of way ... and ... if you believe you can make the turn safely .... this puts you "In the right" ... Just like in NZ ...

Unfortunately, it looks like it took him completely by surprise. It doesn't look as though he made any effort to stop or avoid her.

But ... if he believed he was "In the right" ... and as such ... needed to take no evasive action .... because nothing could go wrong ...

As has been said already, his positioning leaves a little to be desired. He should have moved further to the left and maybe that movement across the car driver's view may have been enough for her to suddenly see the bike.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing ... but we prang anyway ...

[swbarnett]

Swerve or anchors.

Both. But not necessarily at the same time.

[swbarnett]

As for being surprised then any car & driveway combination could reduce you to walking pace. Fair enough, too.

You always have warning of someone coming out of a driveway. Usually there's the space made by the footpath etc. If not I ride in the right wheel track to create some separation.

[swbarnett]

I think it's more to do with experience ... and practice ....

Exactly. Enough experience and practice trains your subconscious how to handle the bike far better than your conscious brain ever will.

Getting in the shit often enough ... to get to know how to stay at a safe depth ...

You don't need to get in the shit to learn how to avoid it. Just do the same manoeuvre. Slalom is good practice for swerving to avoid an obstacle. You'll often find me weaving down the road just to keep my hand in.