Of course this couldn't happen here

[Big Dog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMwo7ORYH0

You must be talking about a guy like this. Like I said, difficult to do, but best bet is to swerve. Here's a for the rider.

Far canal. Bet he needed a wee breather before continuing on. Especially lucky given the distinct lack of gear and the one second following distance.


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[FJRider]

You don't need to get in the shit to learn how to avoid it.

It make more impression on the sub-conscious ... if you HAVE been deep in it ... and have the scars to prove it. Only the stupid have a short time memory ...

[chasio]

What if the vehicle crossing your path was turning into a driveway?

If I perceive they are slowing at all, or notice them looking across at a possible turn, yes, just not always. But I'd have moved to the centre of the lane (buffering) and covered the brake as a matter of routine with an oncoming car on a road that narrow as well.

But FWIW, I am not convinced I'd have avoided the dizzy mare.

If you frame by frame the video you can clearly see that the indicator is blinking.

The light in the aftermath is a brake light and an indicator.

I'm with George on the front view i.e. I cannot see it, but agree the indicator is visible on the aftermath shot. Unless someone can tell me how to see the front indicator operating, I'd believe that it's possible the front indicator was not operating e.g. faulty, giving him less to go on.

Perhaps ... under UK legislation ... when turning right (and indicating so) gives you right of way ...

Nope, never been like that in the UK.

[swbarnett]

It make more impression on the sub-conscious ... if you HAVE been deep in it ... and have the scars to prove it. Only the stupid have a short time memory ...

Agreed. Crashing can help you improve. I just meant it's not mandatory.

[FJRider]

...Nope, never been like that in the UK.

I find that simply amazing ... so many people believe it IS so in New Zealand ...

And more people live in the UK ....

About time BOTH countries changed legislation to suit ...

[george formby]

If, if, I had seen the indication, wheels turn, drivers head turn, etc then yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe. If not. Thump, scrape, bollocks.
Observation seems to be the key. But. It's very quick, not looking in the right place & you lose your chance. Lots to look at, too.

I'm definitely in the good gear & fully comp insurance camp on this one.

Oh, had a quick squizz at the UK road rules site. It used to be 3 seconds of indication, now it seems to be indicate in plenty of time. Hmmmmmm. That's a bit random.

[george formby]

I find that simply amazing ... so many people believe it IS so in New Zealand ...

And more people live in the UK ....

About time BOTH countries changed legislation to suit ...

What? New rules to ignore.

9" spike on the steering wheel. Done.

[FJRider]

... I just meant it's not mandatory.

God help us if it is made so ... which party will bring it in do you think ... ???








ps: I know what you meant ...

[FJRider]

What? New rules to ignore.

What harm could it do ... ???

[Gremlin]

Oh, had a quick squizz at the UK road rules site. It used to be 3 seconds of indication, now it seems to be indicate in plenty of time. Hmmmmmm. That's a bit random.

UK laws require a bit more intelligent driving. ie, here, changing lanes, you indicate for 3 secs regardless. UK, you must indicate if someone will benefit. Illustrates a big difference in thinking.

[swbarnett]

God help us if it is made so ... which party will bring it in do you think ... ???

Would be one way to reduce the population.

Maybe required would've been a better word.

ps: I know what you meant ...

Figured as much. Or rather I'd hoped as much, this is KB afterall.

[avgas]

I'm sure our "situational awareness" gurus will be able to tell us what the rider did wrong.
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2014/03/2...-camera-video/

He should have been going faster.
Now we have to wait for part 2.

[TheDemonLord]

UK laws require a bit more intelligent driving. ie, here, changing lanes, you indicate for 3 secs regardless. UK, you must indicate if someone will benefit. Illustrates a big difference in thinking.

I thought the change from 3 seconds was because of the prevalance of mini roundabouts in the UK where it was confusing to indicate for the full 3 seconds, so they changed it to the common sense approach

[Tazz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMwo7ORYH0

You must be talking about a guy like this. Like I said, difficult to do, but best bet is to swerve. Here's a for the rider.

Not really. Not to take away from his good reactions but he certainly had a bit more warning, and he still went for the brakes first...

If you rely on your conscious brain in this sort of situation then you need to train your brain. I have gotten out of situations not dissimilar to this without even knew I was doing it.

The subconscious brain is thousands of time faster than the conscious.


As I've hinted at about above, using your subconscious is not "not thinking" it's using your brain in the way it was built. If humans relied on the conscious brain all the time we would've died out many millenia ago.

I'd agree with that, but it still takes time to compute. I've done a couple of quick swerves after weighing up the options in the car and on the bike in what I'd like to was split seconds but alas I don't film myself 24/7, but they didn't result in a crash so bonus there XD I am still on the right side of 30 though, might be a different case when the body and mind slows a bit more.

Surprised that there are any crashes at all with all this talk, considering so many on here struggle to even ride with headphones

Well that's my 2c anyway, wrong or right =)

[swbarnett]

I'd agree with that, but it still takes time to compute.

That's the thing with the subconscious brain. If properly trained the reaction time is down to the millisecond if not quicker.

I've done a couple of quick swerves after weighing up the options in the car and on the bike in what I'd like to was split seconds but alas I don't film myself 24/7, but they didn't result in a crash so bonus there XD I am still on the right side of 30 though, might be a different case when the body and mind slows a bit more.

I'm a few months shy of 50. It certainly helps to ride every day. Add to that over twenty years of Auckland traffic and you get plenty of practice avoiding accidents.

Surprised that there are any crashes at all with all this talk, considering so many on here struggle to even ride with headphones

Theory is easy. Putting it into practice is harder.