A sobering read

[kiwi cowboy]

While I really do feel for the guy killed and his mates and I also hate pissed drivers with a passion and think they should be shot on the side of the road I know I will get roasted for saying this but.

The way the article reads to me it suggests that the whole group was traveling too close together so there was no room to take evasive action properly resulting in the three bikes involved not the one that had to take action.
If the bikes were further apart maybe he could have evaded the pissed cunt and lived to smash his head in later.

I do not mean this to be in any way rude or unkind to anyone involved but just maybe something to think about when group riding.

Sound like katman don't I.

[pritch]

So he'll be out in less than two years. No prizes for guessing the first thing that he'll do as soon as he gets his hands on cash?

Sometimes it seems that life is cheap in NZ. Well, in our court system anyway...

[TheDemonLord]

yeah best be careful as its super easy to be over the limit these days and that alone does not make you a dangerous driver.. This appears to be done deliberately while drunk so he definately needs a permanent attitude adjustment...

I am going to pick my next words really carefully:

You.

Can.

Fuck.

Right.

Off.

With.

That.

Excuse.

I have never had an issue with being over the limit....

You know why?

Cause I know that if I need to or am going to drive - I don't drink - and thus I have never been over the limit.

Now for some serious discussion (and to expand on the above outburst):

I choose not to drink if I know I am going to be driving - I understand the desire of some people to enjoy a (singular) wine with dinner or enjoy a cold beer on a hot day. The problem is with most people is that a drink turns into 3-4 and then funnily enough they are over the limit.

if we also factor into this that at the legal limit you are significantly more likely to be involved in an accident then sober:
http://metaffordance.com/imagelib/si...w%20Zealand%29

If someone can give me a logical reason why someone might need to consume 3-4 alcoholic drinks and then drive, I might lessen my stance. but the above attitude is precisely why we have the drink driving problem in this country and by extension the reason why Twat Fucks like Mr Drink-then-Kill-someone-cause-they-drove exist.

If you need to drive, don't drink.

[SMOKEU]

yeah best be careful as its super easy to be over the limit these days and that alone does not make you a dangerous driver.. This appears to be done deliberately while drunk so he definately needs a permanent attitude adjustment...

The breath and blood alcohol limits in NZ are quite high as is for those aged 20 and over. Unless someone has a medical problem, 1 or 2 standard drinks with dinner is not going to put an average adult anywhere near the limit.

The question has to be asked "what support or treatment had he been through"?

In most cases an individual will struggle to get off of the bottle. Then there is the continuing battle to stay off.
A very good mate has done just that and been dry for 20yrs. He still goes to AA every month though.
It surprised me when he said it is only "in remission". You never become an ex-alcoholic.

That's not an acceptable excuse. Why should other people have to suffer or die just because someone else has a self inflicted problem?

I have never had an issue with being over the limit....

You know why?

Cause I know that if I need to or am going to drive - I don't drink - and thus I have never been over the limit.

Now for some serious discussion (and to expand on the above outburst):

I choose not to drink if I know I am going to be driving - I understand the desire of some people to enjoy a (singular) wine with dinner or enjoy a cold beer on a hot day. The problem is with most people is that a drink turns into 3-4 and then funnily enough they are over the limit.

if we also factor into this that at the legal limit you are significantly more likely to be involved in an accident then sober:
http://metaffordance.com/imagelib/si...w%20Zealand%29

If someone can give me a logical reason why someone might need to consume 3-4 alcoholic drinks and then drive, I might lessen my stance. but the above attitude is precisely why we have the drink driving problem in this country and by extension the reason why Twat Fucks like Mr Drink-then-Kill-someone-cause-they-drove exist.

If you need to drive, don't drink.

Exactly. If I know that I will be required to operate a motor vehicle on a public road, then I'll either not drink any alcohol, or a small amount if I have a reasonably full stomach (of food). Otherwise, ride a push bike. There's nothing wrong with riding one of them pissed as fuck within reason.

[Grashopper]

Riding a pushbike home at night is with the danger of being attacked by a car load of hoods. People who have biked or walked home have indeed been attacked.

Then take a cab. If you have the money to drink then you should have the money to pay a cab!

[SMOKEU]

Riding a pushbike home at night is with the danger of being attacked by a car load of hoods. People who have biked or walked home have indeed been attacked.

That's exactly it. If only we were allowed to carry a handgun like in the USA.

Then take a cab. If you have the money to drink then you should have the money to pay a cab!

A big night on the piss costs me around $1. I can't afford taxis.

[Paul in NZ]

I am going to pick my next words really carefully:

You.

Can.

Fuck.

Right.

Off.

With.

That.

Excuse.

I have never had an issue with being over the limit....

You know why?

Cause I know that if I need to or am going to drive - I don't drink - and thus I have never been over the limit.

Now for some serious discussion (and to expand on the above outburst):

I choose not to drink if I know I am going to be driving - I understand the desire of some people to enjoy a (singular) wine with dinner or enjoy a cold beer on a hot day. The problem is with most people is that a drink turns into 3-4 and then funnily enough they are over the limit.

if we also factor into this that at the legal limit you are significantly more likely to be involved in an accident then sober:
http://metaffordance.com/imagelib/si...w%20Zealand%29

If someone can give me a logical reason why someone might need to consume 3-4 alcoholic drinks and then drive, I might lessen my stance. but the above attitude is precisely why we have the drink driving problem in this country and by extension the reason why Twat Fucks like Mr Drink-then-Kill-someone-cause-they-drove exist.

If you need to drive, don't drink.

I what way was I making an excuse? I'm just saying its not always cut and dried why someone might have a DIC conviction... Having 6 is another thing altogether and deliberately swerving at people is something else again.

WTF? Have you signed up to the katman communications school??

Oh stuff this... Got better stuff to do...

[iranana]

The way the article reads to me it suggests that the whole group was travelling too close together so there was no room to take evasive action properly resulting in the three bikes involved not the one that had to take action.
If the bikes were further apart maybe he could have evaded the pissed cunt

I kind of thought the same thing too. But, at the end of the day, what a terrible way to go... If you're driving, don't drink. If you're drinking, don't drive. Plain and simple. What a pity some people can't grasp such a simple concept. Repeat drink drivers should be given a permanent disability to prevent them from doing so again and again...

[buggerit]

While I really do feel for the guy killed and his mates and I also hate pissed drivers with a passion and think they should be shot on the side of the road I know I will get roasted for saying this but.

The way the article reads to me it suggests that the whole group was traveling too close together so there was no room to take evasive action properly resulting in the three bikes involved not the one that had to take action.
If the bikes were further apart maybe he could have evaded the pissed cunt and lived to smash his head in later.

I do not mean this to be in any way rude or unkind to anyone involved but just maybe something to think about when group riding.

Sound like katman don't I.

I aggree that alot of group riding seems close and for no good reason as far as I can see, I prefer a good bit of breathing space around
me as it makes it easier to pick your lines, see hazards, take evasive action and you are less affected by different peoples riding
style

[TheDemonLord]

I what way was I making an excuse? I'm just saying its not always cut and dried why someone might have a DIC conviction... Having 6 is another thing altogether and deliberately swerving at people is something else again.

WTF? Have you signed up to the katman communications school??

Oh stuff this... Got better stuff to do...

You infered the excuse that somehow it is hard or difficult to stay under the limit:

yeah best be careful as its super easy to be over the limit these days

It isn't.

It is a conscious choice by the individual to Drink knowing they have to drive (or that they intend to drive) - it is this attitude that I take extreme umbridge with - as it is a key part of the collective national psyche that drink driving isn't that bad or that driving after perhaps you have had one too many is noble or something to be rewarded.

I am saying it IS cut and dried with a DIC - I think the only instance where it could be claimed where it wasn't cut and dried was the incident with the wine taster who breathalyzed himself before driving home (and the breathalyzer wasn't accurate enough).

Everyone else has no excuse and more importantly will never have an excuse - You choose to drive after drinking, you choose to drink knowing you have to drive. there is NO excuse, it isn't difficult or hard and if you think it is - please hand over your licence.

[Big Dave]

Oh stuff this... Got better stuff to do...

That'll larn ya for taking anything on here seriously.

[BoristheBiter]

Oh look, and indignant policeman. Obviously not in the same category as a motorcyclist as he's allowed to have a voice in the media. Plenty of people suffer the same way. Most of them get vilified for being a drain on the taxpayer. But a policeman? Brave defender of public freedom? His pain is worse.

Cry me a river.

Oh look, a fuckwit.

[BoristheBiter]

yeah best be careful as its super easy to be over the limit these days and that alone does not make you a dangerous driver.. This appears to be done deliberately while drunk so he definately needs a permanent attitude adjustment...

It takes a lot more than you think to get over the limit.
Most men (over 20) can drink at least 3 pints and still be under the limit.

[SMOKEU]

This guy has his 18th EBA conviction.

He should be killed.

[James Deuce]

Oh look, a fuckwit.

The feelings mutual. Comes from being hit twice by drunks and no one giving a fuck except to lecture the fuck out of me for riding one of them dangerous motorcycles - for months on end. Funny how the "brotherhood of motorcyclists" fucking disappears when you really need help.

Give a cop a pulpit and it's a terrible tragedy. I had to hold my brother-in-law down at 14 years of age while he had a gastric lavage after being run over by a drunk on the footpath outside his school, so they coul dfind the blood vessel he was bleeding to death out of. I don't give a fuck what anyone "thinks" about what I said. I do give a fuck that being a cop somehow makes his pain all the more tragic. Hundreds of people suffer the same shit every year.