Hill starts?

**SMOKEU** · 3rd April 2014, 09:46

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER . if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...

I've never even thought about doing hill starts with the front brake, I always thought the rear brake was "the" way of doing it. I'll try the front brake method at some stage.

**Big Dog** · 3rd April 2014, 10:21

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER . if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...

Like teacher says - but if you use the front brake, you already know how to co-ordinate the clutch and throttle - the new skill is knowing when to release the front brake and use the throttle with the same hand ..

The knack to that is to only use your thumb to roll the throttle on.
Practice using your thumb independently of the brake with the engine off first. Then add the clutch. When confident that all of this is now independent start the engine. Try it on the flat in the open.
Curbs in quiet empty car parks are great for practicing hill starts without the threat of being on a real hill in real traffic.
I also recommend when you can competently do them on a steep hill trying them in gravel before you have to.

I don't think front is easier than back but when the road slopes to the right and your turning left you'll be grateful for the choice. If you find yourself in less than desire able traction you'll be grateful for learning to use the back.

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**sil3nt** · 3rd April 2014, 10:44

Why would you want to juggle front brake and throttle?

Rear brake is there and your foot isn't doing anything so you might as well use it.

Rear brake + take off as normal releasing rear brake when you feel clutch biting

100x easier than hill start in a car.

**bogan** · 3rd April 2014, 10:47

Do some of you have tiny hands, slow throttles, or poorly set brake levers? It's well easy to change both brake pressure and throttle position at the same time with one hand.

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?

**sil3nt** · 3rd April 2014, 11:01

Originally Posted by bogan

Do some of you have tiny hands, slow throttles, or poorly set brake levers? It's well easy to change both brake pressure and throttle position at the same time with one hand.

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?

Smoking is bad for your health.

**Big Dog** · 3rd April 2014, 11:52

Originally Posted by sil3nt

Why would you want to juggle front brake and throttle?

Rear brake is there and your foot isn't doing anything so you might as well use it.

Rear brake + take off as normal releasing rear brake when you feel clutch biting

100x easier than hill start in a car.

Not always practical on uneven ground, especially two up.
Better to have more than one string for your bow.

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**Swivel** · 6th April 2014, 02:34

Originally Posted by Akzle

do your second attempt first, then.

and never mind shame. you're on a fucking bike, they're in a car, they can fucking wait.

Nice love the attitude, fuck the cars, one thing I bloody hate is sitting on the speed limit in a 50km zone and a fucken car tail gates.

**Swivel** · 6th April 2014, 02:42

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130702223]I never use the rear brake for a hill start ... LATE RIDER
. if that's what you are doing then practice using the front brake only - its much easier ...

Yip I had presumed the rear brake was to be used for hill starts and thats what I have been using, thanks everyone for the advice and support, I have now got the nack of rear brake hill starts with the help of all your awesome advice, my new mission is practice the front brake.

**gjm** · 6th April 2014, 08:24

Originally Posted by bogan

It's the same theory as doing a burnout, or are you the type of plebs who don't do burnouts either?

Have you seen the price of 190-section rear tyres lately?

**bogan** · 6th April 2014, 10:55

Originally Posted by gjm

Have you seen the price of 190-section rear tyres lately?

Exactly, counts out the plebs for the most part; though, when they need replacing is still a good opportunity...

**pritch** · 6th April 2014, 12:12

OK so despite the usual conflicting KB advice the OP has hill starts with the back brake sorted.

Now to the front brake; try using just the first two fingers. That'll leave the thumb and two fingers for the throttle. It will also get you used to just using the two fingers which will come in handy later because that's all most modern bikes need.

It will also make things easier in the future, should you wish to learn the correct technique for changing down at the same time as applying the front brakes.