Diesel oils in 4 strokes?

[Jay GTI]

Unless you think you think you know more than the manufactures.

Well the dealer who sold me my bike told me to stop using the factory-specified Motorex oil and use the Elf equivalent, as they'd side-by-side compared race bikes that ran both and there was a lot more wear inside the Motorex bike. Why would KTM recommend a poor-quality oil if they know what they're doing? Well it's because they are in partnership with Motorex.

The question being raised in this thread is how well do we trust what we're being sold? Don't for a minute think that there's no financial incentive for manufacturers to recommend certain oils, brands etc.

[flashg]

Well the dealer who sold me my bike told me to stop using the factory-specified Motorex oil and use the Elf equivalent, as they'd side-by-side compared race bikes that ran both and there was a lot more wear inside the Motorex bike. Why would KTM recommend a poor-quality oil if they know what they're doing? Well it's because they are in partnership with Motorex.



The question being raised in this thread is how well do we trust what we're being sold? Don't for a minute think that there's no financial incentive for manufacturers to recommend certain oils, brands etc.

Good point, what i was meaning was we need to be sure we use the right type of oil made for bikes. Your dealer sounds like he cares about his customers. I use castrol in both bikes its been good so far. Won't know till i strip one down though, might be some time away as used for trail and adventure.
It would piss me off if i was told to use an inferior oil just to line somebody's pocket.

[oldskool]

Does anyone on here run diesel oil in the 4 stroke MX bikes?

Yes I do, have for the last 4 years. I go through a 20L drum of Rimula a year. I change oil every 5 hours (give or take an hour).

http://rekluse.com/search.shtml?q=rotella
"Also, certain oils can contribute to unsatisfactory clutch performance. Rekluse recommends Shell Rotella T, which is an oil designed for diesel engines. From testing Rekluse has conducted, we have found that Shell Rotella T increases clutch performance best."

From time to time Supercheap sells the 20L drum of Rimula for $110. Which works out to be $5.50 per litre. Makes for very good buying.

However there is not much info online to confirm whether Rimula is indeed Rotella T.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Rotella_T
"The Shell Rimula brand is multi-national and comparable in all aspects, including the classification names. (i.e. T-5, T-6, Etc.)"

[barty5]

I've been using whatever Diesel oil I've got around (my old car used to take 9L an oil change so always had the leftover kicking around) and so far so good. After experimenting a bit a few years ago (in the car) I wouldn't touch the Repco or Supercheap 'branded' stuff. I'm not sure what other labels the same oil has on it but I found it crap.

Caltex and Shell or Redline have been good to me. The same weight Castrol stuff seemed a bit 'thinner'? (maybe just my imagination) which may be more suited to a bike? Not really knowledgeable enough to know but I didn't like using it in the car.

Not sure what super cheap use but Repco a year or so ago was Mobil oil repacked generally a slightly less quality oil in that it has a few less of the additives in it.

[Woodman]

Not sure what super cheap use but Repco a year or so ago was Mobil oil repacked generally a slightly less quality oil in that it has a few less of the additives in it.

Repcos housebrand is now made by Penrite. Been that for about 5-6 years.

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Repcos housebrand is now made by Penrite. Been that for about 5-6 years.

years ago i worked for an oil company many house brand oil's were made by different oil companies but not the same as their own oil (different recipe) case trans oil was made by caltex then mobil i think but once contract changed caltex not allowed to make it and sell it in their containers. Makes me wonder who makes yamalube etc not Yamaha that's for sure but it will be a recipe they want and it may be exactly the same as some other bike oils. The Yamaha dealers don't seem to use it in their workshops and don't even push it

[Quasievil]

Im responsible for Shell lubricants in NZ (Retail) if anyone wants to know anything.
I have put up a thread previous about some cheap deals I am offering KB members (look my posts up) basically $3.00 a litre for Shell Advance oils.
Let me know if I can help

[barty5]

years ago i worked for an oil company many house brand oil's were made by different oil companies but not the same as their own oil (different recipe) case trans oil was made by caltex then mobil i think but once contract changed caltex not allowed to make it and sell it in their containers. Makes me wonder who makes yamalube etc not Yamaha that's for sure but it will be a recipe they want and it may be exactly the same as some other bike oils. The Yamaha dealers don't seem to use it in their workshops and don't even push it

Yamalube by yamaha would be like saying they make their own pistons and bearings etc the list is huge for all bike companies. Its just what they try to sell you in a specific labeled box.

[Quasievil]

FYI Im offering Shell Advance Bike oils 4t and 2t for $3.50 a litre delivered, Im quitting all the stock in NZ

[thorns]

So that Shell oil will work well in modern 4 stroke MX bikes? If so, I'm keen for some.

[gwynfryn]

FYI Im offering Shell Advance Bike oils 4t and 2t for $3.50 a litre delivered, Im quitting all the stock in NZ

Thanks. Just ordered 9 X 4 litres of 2 stroke , several years worth. Great deal.

[Quasievil]

So that Shell oil will work well in modern 4 stroke MX bikes? If so, I'm keen for some.

Below is whats left, for your bike run the Advance 4T 15W-40 or the Advance VSX 15W-50 (note thats a 209lt drum)
$3.50 lt for any of it, minimum order 3 boxes just to cover freight.
Buy before 1pm it should be with you tomorrow (main towns)
Ring Fenella on 0800673375 she can take your order and credit card details.

this is a fire sale, once its gone its gone and we wont be getting anymore Shell Bike oil into the NZ market in the foreseeable future.

ADVULT2-C3X4	Advance Ultra 2 / C3*4L	Z300		14 boxes
ADV4T1540-C6X1	Advance 4T 15w40 / C6x1L	Z300		26 boxes
ADVULT2-C12X1	Advance Ultra 2 / C12*1L	Z300		33 boxes
ADVVSX42006-209	Advance VSX 4 15W-50 (SL/MA) / D209L	Z300		2 drums

[Big Dog]

Do you do mixed lots for your 3 case minimum? Is any of what you have left suitable for a dr350 or cb1300? Pretty sure dr runs mineral, cb does not.


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[Bigted]

Thanks Quasi,
Ordered 3 Boxes of the 4T for my Vstrom. Should keep me going for the next few years.

[Quasievil]

Do you do mixed lots for your 3 case minimum? Is any of what you have left suitable for a dr350 or cb1300? Pretty sure dr runs mineral, cb does not.


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Mixed lots is fine dude the Mineral oil for the Dr350 as below, if you grab 3 x 6 1lt bottles that will only cost you $63.00 delivered. and keep you going for a while!

ADV4T1540-C6X1

Advance 4T 15w40 / C6x1L

The CB1300 would be best on a Synthetic, we only have the 209lt drums left in that it seems.