CBT - and why you should do it over a normal licence test

[Stevee2]

Yup - that is the CBT2

*CBTA.

Just to be particular.

[f2dz]

+1 for the CBTA courses and Dawn @ Rider Training.

I did my CBTA2 with her a month or so ago and it was a great experience. Her bike is a beast.

[SNF]

Why do people still use the term 'Cager'? Does anyone say it in real life? Do they think it's cool?

Never understood it... Those who say it probably drive cars too... Fuckin cagers.

That rant now over, good on you for getting some additional training. It all helps.

Slightly derogative term for a car driver - as in you sit inside a car its encased by metal just like cage. They usually can't see from the perspective from motorcyclists and assume we are all dangerous dickheads on 2 wheel death traps. It not, its just on a bike you need to have your head in the game 100% of the time, can't just sit in a car and pass judgement/daydream. I say cager IRL, usually if one's done something in order to make me say that. Expect the un-expected and you start saying it far less. Hate driving, I'd much rather ride.

I like the idea of the CBTA system.Formyelf to pass I know I need to work on low speed actions.

[JimmyC]

Thanks for the mini review.

I would love to know why the CBTA is not compulsory. The idea is to educate and ultimately save lives, and it certainly seems like you learn a lot more going this route so why not make it the only route?

It is more expensive than the standard method however, and a prior assessment at additional cost is also highly recommended. Money well invested imo. What seems a little strange is current prices for the actual test vary quite a bit too ($130-$200) which seems a little off for something supposedly standardised.

I'll be doing my full via CBTA shortly. Still weighing up options.

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks for the mini review.

I would love to know why the CBTA is not compulsory. The idea is to educate and ultimately save lives, and it certainly seems like you learn a lot more going this route so why not make it the only route?

It is more expensive than the standard method however, and a prior assessment at additional cost is also highly recommended. Money well invested imo. What seems a little strange is current prices for the actual test vary quite a bit too ($130-$200) which seems a little off for something supposedly standardised.

I'll be doing my full via CBTA shortly. Still weighing up options.

You are welcome - as for the compulsory part - I would guess politics and stuff would be the first stick in the mud.

I have myself only seen about a $5-$10 variance in cost for comparable courses - most places offer CBTA1 for between $170-$180, and the CBTA2 is about $130-$140 I think (CBF getting actual figures) but I know some places do a Test + training option which might be what is accounting for the price fluctuations?

[f2dz]

Thanks for the mini review.

I would love to know why the CBTA is not compulsory. The idea is to educate and ultimately save lives, and it certainly seems like you learn a lot more going this route so why not make it the only route?

It is more expensive than the standard method however, and a prior assessment at additional cost is also highly recommended. Money well invested imo. What seems a little strange is current prices for the actual test vary quite a bit too ($130-$200) which seems a little off for something supposedly standardised.

I'll be doing my full via CBTA shortly. Still weighing up options.

Even if it were compulsory there isn't any obligation to do additional training before the actual assessment. I did my CBTA2 straight away and didn't receive any kind of training. We went over the condition of my bike then went for the ride, that was about it.

I felt more at ease with an actual rider following me rather than a car but apart from that I don't really see a benefit to making it compulsory in its standard form unless they make prior training mandatory.

It will piss a lot of people off if they do though as most people think they're crash hot and won't pay for training to make themselves better.

[TheDemonLord]

It will piss a lot of people off if they do though as most people think they're crash hot and won't pay for training to make themselves better.

This is a sad reality - Hell, I am sure I am guilty of thinking I am better than I actually am

[JimmyC]

I have myself only seen about a $5-$10 variance in cost for comparable courses - most places offer CBTA1 for between $170-$180, and the CBTA2 is about $130-$140 I think (CBF getting actual figures) but I know some places do a Test + training option which might be what is accounting for the price fluctuations?

No, the Test + Training options are even more expensive. I'm only going by what's on different instructors websites.

It will piss a lot of people off if they do though as most people think they're crash hot and won't pay for training to make themselves better.

And that's precisely why they need it. Their ego is writing cheques their skills can't cash... (to defile a famous movie quote :-))

[Erelyes]

Good to hear that you found the CBTA worthwhile.

Had you done any form of training before?

I plan to do the CBTA stage 2, later on this year. Both to knock 6 months off the time on restricted, but also as I found the test from L to R rather basic / lacking feedback. I've previously done an ACC course with Dan Ormsby too which was fantastic value for money (both due to the ACC subsidy, and the great tuition)

[numbersixteen16]

Only found out about this the day after booking my restricted... Even though I asked the lady behind the counter for alternatives. Definitely doing it for my full though

[GingerMidget]

I did my assessment so I could get my full licence just over a week ago with Stuart from Two Bald Bikers.
I was nervous because I'd just come fresh off a month of not being able to ride, but we had a chat before we went anywhere, and we both had quite a few questions and I went out on the test feeling reasonably confident.

I don't think its going to make it any easier, just a different way of doing things.

[Erelyes]

I don't think its going to make it any easier, just a different way of doing things.

Have just done CBTA2 / CBTAF and I totally agree. When you do your 'clipboard' (standard practical) test you might get someone competent. Or you might get someone that's too lenient (tick boxes, I get paid by the hour) or too strict (keep these damn bikers from killing themselves).

With the CBTA there is no doubt you are getting someone that is an experienced and skilled rider. I understand the assessment to become a CBTA instructor isn't exactly a cakewalk either.

I imagine the passrate would be similar between the two, but with CBTA you will get a ton more feedback.

[Coldrider]

I am still confused.

'Licence' is the noun, 'license' is the verb, the permission, unless we are in the USA, then it is just 'license', which we are not.

[Katman]

Slightly derogative term for a car driver - as in you sit inside a car its encased by metal just like cage. They usually can't see from the perspective from motorcyclists and assume we are all dangerous dickheads on 2 wheel death traps. It not, its just on a bike you need to have your head in the game 100% of the time, can't just sit in a car and pass judgement/daydream. I say cager IRL, usually if one's done something in order to make me say that. Expect the un-expected and you start saying it far less. Hate driving, I'd much rather ride.

I think the other poster was well aware of what the term 'cager' refers to.

He's also correct in implying that those who make constant reference to the term are fucking morons.

[Drew]

Too many posts to quote them all.

This training should be mandatory, but shouldn't shorten the licence restriction times.

Yes, I am better than average with bike control and understanding of road rules. Happy to prove it, be that egotistical or not.