Intiminators installed: I'm underwhelmed.

[400sm]

Nice video Buggs.
Ah the Tukino track. . .
Takes me back a few years when a mate, my son and l rode up to the snowline, in mid summer!

[buggsubique]

I bet it was all grins until the music stopped....ouch.

You know it was mate!

[R650R]

That was cool, been eyeing that on the map for awhile, will have to get up there on the DR.

[Robert Taylor]

I haven't been on here in a loooong time. Life etc. I just got my intimiahrgkajs fitted on my Africa Twin a couple of rides ago and so far I'm happy with them, but that has only been on low speed technical stuff so far. People on here know how hard I ride my AT and to be honest I find it part of the challenge - riding the bike to it's 90's limitations. So far, having put these widgets in I'm happy there is some improvement. I don't think I'll ever know what good suspension is unless I get divorced or win lotto or sell the kids or something. But yeah, for a number 8 wire fix on my time warp bike (that's for you MarkS), I'm chuffed so far. Find it a bit bumpier on the road, but the road is no place for my AT anyway. Can't recall if I posted this vid on here before or not, but this prompted me to at least give my forks a token fix with the intimiohasg...and to remember I ride an aged (although capable!) bike.

RT, thanks for all your views on here - good educationy stuff to consider... might send you my rear shock in the near future... don't think it's been looked at in 20 years and did a solid job of kicking me off on this ride

(Brutally), if you as you say find it ''a bit bumper on the road'' then these devices have singularly failed to improve abrupt bump compliance ( known as high speed compression damping, suspension shaft velocity, not bike velocity ) The video above gives some indication of that
A well designed device will not only deliver a sizable improvement in chassis pitch control and dynamic ride height control, it should also deliver a sizable improvement in abrupt bump compliance. That the Intiminators fall well short of what is possible is undeniable . That they fall well short of what is acceptable is also undeniable.

[buggsubique]

(Brutally), if you as you say find it ''a bit bumper on the road'' then these devices have singularly failed to improve abrupt bump compliance ( known as high speed compression damping, suspension shaft velocity, not bike velocity ) The video above gives some indication of that
A well designed device will not only deliver a sizable improvement in chassis pitch control and dynamic ride height control, it should also deliver a sizable improvement in abrupt bump compliance. That the Intiminators fall well short of what is possible is undeniable . That they fall well short of what is acceptable is also undeniable.

In the above vid I actually had 20 wt rather than the stock 5w and no intiminators at that time.

[Robert Taylor]

In the above vid I actually had 20 wt rather than the stock 5w and no intiminators at that time.

Yes, if the fork oil viscosity is slightly too high ( which it was for such forks ) it means that rebound action is lazy which it clearly was at especially the top of the stroke ( topping out area ) If recovery is not fast enough that then means that the forks are not back at ride height before the next obstacle. That creates harshness not too dissmiliar to having too much high speed compression. I will at least give Ricor some credit that they recognise the need for a more responsive oil, but in part its also because their device creates some rebound damping and is very restrictive on compression at especially higher velocities

My salient points about the limitations and the infuriating American hype that accompanies them rigidly remain. Smoke and mirrors, and I have no respect for such ''engineering'' Neither as it clearly can be understood does another company that makes a credible device that has a shim stack.

[400sm]

Buggs

I think you had the music up too loud and lost concentration!

[clint640]

Well yes RT you are probably right about the increased enjoyment/confidence levels for less experienced riders (myself included), but a capable suspension will also mask a riders deficiencies, and perhaps not allow them to progress? Learning to find the limit of the machine also teaches you about your own limits, if you can't find the edge of the envelope why do you need to extend it?

Those times when a rut/sheep/ditch/log/upsidedownafricatwin has suddenly appeared in front of me I have been pretty damn happy that my nicely tuned WP goodness has 'masked my deficiencies'

Nice vid Buggs!

Cheers
Clint

[GPS MAN]

Hey Buggs ~ haven't you been there before ...the WAR RIDE~~

[Underground]

Just back from thoroughly testing these things and now for an inexpert opinion.
As Buggs says they have a certain harshness to them, or to put it in more nautical terms they're a bit 'jobbley'
The front wheel doesnt seem to quite make it back to the ground quick enough on the little sharp bumps but it doesnt break loose when hard braking over corrugations.
I wouldnt take them out because they solve the brake dive issue the Africa Twin has and as I ride a lot of tight twisties brake dive is something I can live without.
The question now RT is, What if I take one out? I think there is a model of BMW which has comp in one leg and rebound in the other so I dont think it will cause any silly buisiness (correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm thinking I will get the best of both worlds, acceptable brake dive and less harshness (jobble) with quicker rebound??

[Robert Taylor]

Just back from thoroughly testing these things and now for an inexpert opinion.
As Buggs says they have a certain harshness to them, or to put it in more nautical terms they're a bit 'jobbley'
The front wheel doesnt seem to quite make it back to the ground quick enough on the little sharp bumps but it doesnt break loose when hard braking over corrugations.
I wouldnt take them out because they solve the brake dive issue the Africa Twin has and as I ride a lot of tight twisties brake dive is something I can live without.
The question now RT is, What if I take one out? I think there is a model of BMW which has comp in one leg and rebound in the other so I dont think it will cause any silly buisiness (correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm thinking I will get the best of both worlds, acceptable brake dive and less harshness (jobble) with quicker rebound??

Thats not silly, worth trying as its so relatively easy to answer that question. Although not totally concurring with your reasoning when we built our screw in shim stack type emulator we did so in one fork only. I will be interested to hear your result

[marks]

What if I take one out? I think there is a model of BMW which has comp in one leg and rebound in the other so I dont think it will cause any silly buisiness (correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm thinking I will get the best of both worlds, acceptable brake dive and less harshness (jobble) with quicker rebound??

you obviously aren’t as dumb as you look

I'd be interested in how you find this works

I might try the same thing on my klr

[marks]

But yeah, for a number 8 wire fix on my time warp bike (that's for you MarkS),

quite appropriate really

I didn't really notice the step to the left but I sure as shit noticed the jump to the riiiight.

Was that the off when we were all following you?

When is the next WAR?

[buggsubique]

Those times when a rut/sheep/ditch/log/upsidedownafricatwin has suddenly appeared in front of me

Was that the off when we were all following you?

When is the next WAR?

I almost forgot about that one Clint! Yeah that took a while to rebuild the plastics! THen there was the one when I went through the windscreen up under the mountain... that was the rear shock. And then this one Mark - this was at new years this year. F*ck I'm a slow learner!

As for another WAR ride. Yep it's on the list, hopefully this year, and will probably be a winter ride (read: snow!). Maybe I'll do one in spring too. Wanna do something a little different up there though. I don't really want to start a thread on it as it will be a closed-ish group with a trusted few.

[Underground]

you obviously aren’t as dumb as you look

Dont know whether its going to be best to do the right or the left.....
Another WAR would be good.