Intiminators installed: I'm underwhelmed.

[Kickaha]

I haven't seen a lot of it but Hayden Fitzgerald has bitter memories of it ( If indeed its possible for Hayden to be that way ) He was contracted a few years back to ride an R1 for a British team and was told that they were running Ohlins. When he arrived in the UK it wasn't the good Swedish product at all, it was Ron Maxtons stuff. He struggled with it all season. I think he builds some okay sidecar stuff but the bike stuff is pretty forgettable from what I have evidenced

Yes from what I have seen they seem to have a good reputation amonst the sidecar guys

I was looking at them as they seem to be the only place so far that I have seen do a cartridge conversion for the older smaller diameter forks, I thought it may be a better option than emulators

[Robert Taylor]

Yes from what I have seen they seem to have a good reputation amonst the sidecar guys

I was looking at them as they seem to be the only place so far that I have seen do a cartridge conversion for the older smaller diameter forks, I thought it may be a better option than emulators

We have Andreani 20mm cartridge conversion kits for such bikes and the price is also really good

[400sm]

For something that is unworkable, they work surprisingly well.

I see on their site, RICOR sell 39mm AND 41mm ints for KLR 650.

Is it possible that Chopper T has received the wrong ones ?... ie. for another model...

I have only seen one online review by a KLR 650 owner, and he loved them.

[Robert Taylor]

Is it possible that Chopper T has received the wrong ones ?... ie. for another model...

I have only seen one online review by a KLR 650 owner, and he loved them.

If you look at the damn things they are ALL wrong.

[400sm]

If you look at the damn things they are ALL wrong.

After 3 mins of research, I see RICOR sells 39mm AND 41mm Intiminators for the KLR. This MITE be the problem.

If CT has '41mm' id forks and was supplied the 39mm ints, that would indeed explain his scepticism.

I think Chopper t has to post precise measurements and serial numbers from his Ints and forks, for us to solve this wee dilemma.



....whether they will work or not, is a separate matter.....

[Woodman]

I see on their site, RICOR sell 39mm AND 41mm ints for KLR 650.

Is it possible that Chopper T has received the wrong ones ?... ie. for another model...

I have only seen one online review by a KLR 650 owner, and he loved them.

Their are two KLR650 owners on this thread that say they liked them.

[Woodman]

If you look at the damn things they are ALL wrong.

Rotary engines don't have pistons or conrods but they still work.

just messin with ya.

[chopperT]

Not a bad suggestion 400sm, but not the case. The packaging is marked as 41mm, P/N BW 041 20 1001 DAK, for KLR650 08+, and the OD of the valves is a shade under 34mm (41mm OD fork tubes - 34mm valve = 7mm, and the valve is a loose fit using the seal ring to centralise, so say 6mm/2 = 3mm wall thickness of the fork tube. Sounds about right. (As opposed to 39-34=4-1=3/2=1.5mm which would be a bit light for a fork tube).

On a more positive note after a proper gravel bash today the Progressive 465 shock is awesome. The back end just stayed totally hooked up, where before it would stutter and crash over washboards. However the front now feels desperate (back to Progressive springs and 15w oil), so I'm really keen to try the Cogent DDCs and sraight rate springs.

And perhaps no surprise, but still no reply from Ricor.

[400sm]

[QUOTE=Woodman;1130712344]Their are two KLR650 owners................................. on this thread that say they liked them.[/QUt parts are fi

[Robert Taylor]

I see RICOR sells 39mm AND 41mm Intiminators for the KLR. This MITE be the problem.

If CT has '41mm' id forks and was supplied the 39mm ints, that would indeed explain his scepticism.

I think Chopper t has to post precise measurements and serial numbers from his Ints and forks, for us to solve this wee dilemma.



....whether they will work or not, is a separate matter.....

Its more fundamental than that. Irrespective of whether they are 39 or 41mm the ratio of shim stack o.d to clamping diameter is totally unworkable. The through bolt diameter is also large and that in itself sets a practical limit of whats possible without major re-engineering. I had an Ohlins technician here and showed them to him, he just shook his head in disbelief.

The only reason that they will appear to work on say KLR650 is that at low speed velocities they provide a flow restriction to stop the forks blowing through their stroke. At high velocities the things will hop off the top of the damper rod and bleed some oil that way.

In anyones terms ( those that have an eye for good engineering ) that is totally Heath Robinson

Having just said all of this I have just worked out how you could make these stupid things work. I will sketch it and post through next week

[Robert Taylor]

Their are two KLR650 owners on this thread that say they liked them.

And there are probably at least two million or more people in the communist paradise of North Korea who think that their leader Ding Dong Dit is God.................

[400sm]

Not a bad suggestion 400sm, but not the case. The packaging is marked as 41mm, P/N BW 041 20 1001 DAK, for KLR650 08+, and the OD of the valves is a shade under 34mm (41mm OD fork tubes - 34mm valve = 7mm, and the valve is a loose fit using the seal ring to centralise, so say 6mm/2 = 3mm wall thickness of the fork tube. Sounds about right. (As opposed to 39-34=4-1=3/2=1.5mm which would be a bit light for a fork tube).

On a more positive note after a proper gravel bash today the Progressive 465 shock is awesome. The back end just stayed totally hooked up, where before it would stutter and crash over washboards. However the front now feels desperate (back to Progressive springs and 15w oil), so I'm really keen to try the Cogent DDCs and sraight rate springs.

And perhaps no surprise, but still no reply from Ricor.

Hmmm........ the wrong valves are in the packaging ?


What is the id of your forks, please ?

[400sm]

My bush logic suggests that the units should be a snug fit, to avoid oil bleeding between the fork wall and the seal ?

[Robert Taylor]

Hmmm........ the wrong valves are in the packaging ?


What is the id of your forks, please ?

So have you viewed firsthand the ratio of shim diameter to clamping? And if so can you explain how there is enough deflection? If any?

There is no credibility here, the way these things ''function'' is fundamentally flawed and criminal.

[chopperT]

They use a seal ring in a groove on the OD to centralise and seal the valve, so the valve itself is a loose fit without the ring.

I understand that many people have reported good results with intiminators, but after installing these the fork was so shocking (!) that I had to question them. Now I still don't know for sure what the shim configuration should be, but given the very real shortcomings of the design , as pointed out by Robert, I would be really surprised if they worked even when configured correctly