More evidence for raising speed limits

**swbarnett** · 4th May 2014, 22:22

Originally Posted by FJRider

there is no law against stupidity.

Thank fuck for that. If there was every last human would be convicted. Stupidity is simply a part of the human condition. It's just a question of how often.

Originally Posted by FJRider

Open limits would mean ... "If they can they will" ... the stupid included. Be careful what you wish for.

You may want to have a look at the article pointed to in the OP

**Dazh** · 5th May 2014, 12:55

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Thank fuck for that. If there was every last human would be convicted. Stupidity is simply a part of the human condition. It's just a question of how often.

haha very true!

**Scuba_Steve** · 5th May 2014, 13:07

Remember boys & girls speed kills, lack thereof!

**swbarnett** · 5th May 2014, 13:57

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

speed kills, lack thereof!

Funny you should say that. Both of my more recent accidents only happened because I was going too slow^*.

^*One while parked and one where I got rear-ended while crawling over white paint in a corner in a torrential down-pour in the dark.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 5th May 2014, 14:23

Originally Posted by avgas

There are no yield signs in NZ. Only Give WAY.

There are significant differences between them. Yield means to take notice of nearby traffic, Give way means if you see traffic YOU MUST STOP. They have right of way.

Old man rant over.

If your first proposition is true "There are no yield signs in NZ" then your second is incorrect: because if there are no signs it can have no meaning in NZ

**rastuscat** · 6th May 2014, 21:05

Originally Posted by swbarnett

No, I'm not.

At the vast majority of stop signs it is blatantly obvious whether or not it is safe to proceed without having to be absolutely stationary. Even for most of the idiots.

So why do so many collisions happen at such intersections?

**Berries** · 6th May 2014, 22:42

Why do any crashes happen at intersections? Because people don't concentrate and pull out when it is not safe to do so. In an ideal world a stop sign would indicate poor visibility at an intersection so crashes are more likely at those intersections because there is even less chance of someone who is not concentrating seeing oncoming traffic. Absolutely nothing whatsoever with failing to stop at a stop sign though, all to do with failing to give way.

**rastuscat** · 7th May 2014, 13:02

Originally Posted by Berries

Why do any crashes happen at intersections? Because people don't concentrate and pull out when it is not safe to do so. In an ideal world a stop sign would indicate poor visibility at an intersection so crashes are more likely at those intersections because there is even less chance of someone who is not concentrating seeing oncoming traffic. Absolutely nothing whatsoever with failing to stop at a stop sign though, all to do with failing to give way.

Entirely with you on your last sentence.

The idea is that if you stop you give yourself a better chance of making a good decision about when to go.

Trouble is, subconsciously, everyone doesn't stop at stop signs and doesn't die, so we've all learned that it's safe not to stop.

Except for those who have crashed.

**swbarnett** · 7th May 2014, 13:02

Originally Posted by rastuscat

So why do so many collisions happen at such intersections?

Partly because people drive through them way too fast (I'm only talking about the lack of difference between almost stopped and stopped). More importantly is that people don't see what their eyes are pointing at (assuming they're pointing at the other traffic in the first place), whatever speed they're doing.

If someone doesn't see what's around them at 5kph making them do 0kph is not going to change things.