More evidence for raising speed limits

[BoristheBiter]

I still maintain that 5kph is slow enough at all but a miniscule number of intersections.

for some drivers yes, but again it is lowest common denominator and the crap driving I see everyday would tend to disagree.

[BoristheBiter]

Actually I just remembered that I have been hit by someone travelling at 5kph or thereabouts. It may as well not have happened for the damage it did i.e. absolutely none. All they got from me was a slight sneer. It didn't even warrant a shake of the head.

see post 56

[swbarnett]

for some drivers yes, but again it is lowest common denominator and the crap driving I see everyday would tend to disagree.

You know, you may have a point afterall. I just twigged to one circumstance that I see quite often that may put the lie to what I've been thinking^*. I have observed drivers that have a very clear view of the intersection long before they get to it that don't even bother to look until they get to the line. You may well be right that, with this behaviour, a complete stop is necessary before these bozos to even start looking. Which, of course, would lead to many intersections that would otherwise be fine with a give way needing a stop for the "lowest common denominator" as you say. Once again it comes down to the fact that it's a damn sight easier to measure speed than one's situational awareness.



^*I can be thick sometimes too.

[yevjenko]

I have observed drivers that have a very clear view of the intersection long before they get to it that don't even bother to look until they get to the line.

This.

It amazes me how many people i see doing this. And it staggers me how these people can drive with such a low situational awareness... actually how they can survive in life not just drive

Once again it comes down to the fact that it's a damn sight easier to measure speed than one's situational awareness.

And this is the crux of the matter.

Although you could replace situational awareness with a whole raft of concepts that go to quality of driving but are empirically much harder to measure/police than how fast we are going.

^*I can be thick sometimes too.

And this probably needs to be the tagline of everybody on kb ;-)

sent from my phone (so scuze auto correct typos)

[BoristheBiter]

You know, you may have a point afterall. I just twigged to one circumstance that I see quite often that may put the lie to what I've been thinking^*. I have observed drivers that have a very clear view of the intersection long before they get to it that don't even bother to look until they get to the line. You may well be right that, with this behaviour, a complete stop is necessary before these bozos to even start looking. Which, of course, would lead to many intersections that would otherwise be fine with a give way needing a stop for the "lowest common denominator" as you say. Once again it comes down to the fact that it's a damn sight easier to measure speed than one's situational awareness.



^*I can be thick sometimes too.

we have a give way down the road with a big hard shoulder. People have started to pull out regardless of what's coming and use this to speed up. Most don't do this correctly and just pull out into traffic.
I put it in the same category as those that don't look in their mirrors, at all.
You see them everyday and just wait for the "wonder into your lane then wave apologetically as you beep at them"
I have also noticed a lack of speed awareness as people just pull out into traffic unaware that the traffic is moving faster they they can accelerate.

[Kickaha]

I have also noticed a lack of speed awareness as people just pull out into traffic unaware that the traffic is moving faster they they can accelerate.

You see that all the time with people entering motorways and not getting up to speed as they come down the on ramps

[Tazz]

You see that all the time with people entering motorways and not getting up to speed as they come down the on ramps

Or they get up to speed and go to merge only to find a bunch of asshats closing up all the gaps

[awayatc]

Oh no bike has - but the laws of physics and one or two cops certainly have.

When it was just one or two cops it wasn't a problem...........

But nowadays the countryside is infected with one eyed morons in blue with all manner of electronics enforcing zero tolerance... under the guise of helping us rather then themselves...

[Dave-]

I can't find the report

I love playing spot-the-bullshit with regurgitated un-cited articles like this.

I mean, of course autoexpress is a legitimate publication, and definitely isn't click baiting for the 12 advertisers it has on that page (must look a mess without adblock).