Increasing speed at intersection

[Taxythingy]

What about the twat behind you following too closely sipping on his latte yelling at the ankle biter in the back seat?

That'd be the rozzers then? Guess you take your pick between being rear-ended and being shafted. Good luck with that

[FJRider]

I understand your sentiment, but I'm gonna go ahead and use my own judgement rather than relying on the judgement of people who paint lines on the road for a living.

Using your own judgement is a fine and noble thing. And having the courage to do so ... be commended. And ... those that do ... must live with the consequences of those judgement calls. And accept responsibility for those consequences ....

The OP made a judgement call ... and got pinged $150 for it (and then bitched about it). Freedom of choice in decision making is a wonderful thing ... but often ... NOT free.

And ... you are still free to make the same judgement call. (As clearly stated in legislation)

[rastuscat]

Oh hell yeah, it is safe enough to use the orange light, any taxi driver and at least 50% of all other road users will back me up on that.

That's the problem with yellow lights.

If you're in the habit of running them, one day you run one when some other road users who uses yellows as a default right turn phase will turn across your path. They turn even after seeing you as you are supposed to stop for the yellow.

And at the same time as he's using it as a turn phase you're putting your foot down to beat the change to red.

We attend them several times each week.

That's why we enforce the bejesus out of yellow lights. So people don't think it's okay.

While you've all been grizzling about cops writing too many speeding tickets we've been hammering the shit out of traffic light offences in Chur Chur. Goldfish in a bowl, reflected in our crash stats too.

[Maha]

Truthfully, I only ever run them (orange lights) if I am to close to stop effectively/safely, which does always involve approach speed.

[rastuscat]

Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

[Ender EnZed]

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

What's the difference between "increasing speed at intersection" and "failing to stop for a yellow"?

[FJRider]

What's the difference between "increasing speed at intersection" and "failing to stop for a yellow"?

"Failing to stop for a yellow" is not a traffic offense.

Running a RED is ... as is not stopping for the yellow "When it was safe to do so" ... IS.

The last line in post #43 and #51 explains it clearly ...

[Maha]

Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

Scenario: You are sitting on you popo bike at a right turning red arrow, a vehicle to your left goes through a ''yellow'' light, but it changed when said vehicle was 3-4mts from the lights, what would be your personal response to that?

[Scuba_Steve]

That's the problem with yellow lights.

If you're in the habit of running them, one day you run one when some other road users who uses yellows as a default right turn phase will turn across your path. They turn even after seeing you as you are supposed to stop for the yellow.

And at the same time as he's using it as a turn phase you're putting your foot down to beat the change to red.

We attend them several times each week.

I've been to chch a couple times, because of the retard giveway rule we now have u guys a a few intersections where the only way to turn right is for someone to breach the road user rules so no wonder you attend so many "accidents".
In-fact visiting chch after they retarded the giveway rule I can see why u guys have so many red light runners... it's almost the only way to get a right hand turn especially when the straight through vehicles speed up at orange

Traffic Regs 1976 said orange. Road User Rule 2004 says yellow. So for now it's yellow. Until it changes.

Just a point. This is my primary offence, my bread and butter, it's why we got Popo bikes back in Chur Chur. I know a thing or two about this offence.

Observation. If you have to accelerate to beat a change to red, you could and should have stopped at the yellow.

Donuts.

So really isn't all your effort in vain? I mean if the system wasn't so corrupt there should be no way you could possibly get an offence; everyone would be let off because, well the obvious, even a 5yr old could tell you there's no yellow lights (well except maybee street lamps) they're green, red & orange ain't no yellow in that mix

[Akzle]

And ... you are still free to make the same judgement call. (As clearly stated in legislation)

i wouldnt hold legislation as the epitome of freedom...

[FJRider]

i wouldnt hold legislation as the epitome of freedom...

The choice to stop for the yellow ... or speed up before/during the red is his free choice. If he gets it wrong ... there are costs.

He has the freedom to choose ... legislation in it's wisdom ... gives him that freedom. On the assumption he'll get it right.

[Ender EnZed]

"Failing to stop for a yellow" is not a traffic offense.

Running a RED is ... as is not stopping for the yellow "When it was safe to do so" ... IS.

The last line in post #43 and #51 explains it clearly ...

The "when it is safe to do so" part is redundant in the context of my question, which is not answered at all by post #43 or #51.

From the OP's description of events it sounds like he failed to stop for a yellow light when it was safe to do so. That's not what he received a ticket for though. Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".

[Berries]

Scenario: You are sitting on you popo bike at a right turning red arrow, a vehicle to your left goes through a ''yellow'' light, but it changed when said vehicle was 3-4mts from the lights, what would be your personal response to that?

3-4 metres? You have to be taking the piss. Can you stop from 50km/h in that distance? It is not an offence to go through a 'yellow' light. If it was we would just have green and red.

Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".

Interesting that the Road User Rule states this -

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections
(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.

I would have thought it would be a bit of a push to use that clause at traffic signals when cross traffic is on red but if there is opposing traffic about to turn right across your intended path you could possibly fall foul of this is. Especially in Christchurch.

[FJRider]

The "when it is safe to do so" part is redundant in the context of my question, which is not answered at all by post #43 or #51.

From the OP's description of events it sounds like he failed to stop for a yellow light when it was safe to do so. That's not what he received a ticket for though. Instead he was ticketed for "increasing speed at intersection".

If the light is yellow ... and it is safe to stop IN TIME before the light goes red ... you must do so. If you have to increase speed to pass the light before it goes red ... you HAVE time to stop.

Therefore ... increasing speed (instead of stopping) is clearly then illegal. And the OP was ticketed as such.

Those pesky red light cameras are a good revenue gatherer too ... if you miss judge ... just a little.

Get it wrong and plod has a chat with you. Or a bill arrives in the mail.

Get it really wrong ... and you meet somebody jumping the green light.

Judgement calls (if you do get it wrong) can be a bitch at times ...

[Ender EnZed]

Interesting that the Road User Rule states this -

4.5 Approaching and entering intersections
(1) A driver must not increase speed when approaching an intersection if any other vehicle is approaching or crossing.

That's the bit I couldn't find.

I would have thought it would be a bit of a push to use that clause at traffic signals when cross traffic is on red but if there is opposing traffic about to turn right across your intended path you could possibly fall foul of this is. Especially in Christchurch.

It definitely makes sense in that it prevents anyone being legally in the right after accelerating into someone who was doing a reasonable job of giving way. But it'd be a bit strange if you were technically meant to remain stationary when the lights turn green if an oncoming vehicle indicating to turn right was already rolling.