Increasing speed at intersection

[bogan]

2 other posters as well as me think differently and if you read my post again I said I am able to stop in MOST cases at amber lights in the wet. Maybe you would think the idea is not so retarded if you lost it braking hard in the wet at the lights too.

Too? Have you lost it when braking hard in the wet then?

And no, the laws of physics dictate it is a retarded idea, either you will make it all the way through at your current velocity before the other traffic moves into the intersection, or you can stop safely; accelerating for the yellow is never the safest option.

[ducatilover]

2 other posters as well as me think differently and if you read my post again I said I am able to stop in MOST cases at amber lights in the wet. Maybe you would think the idea is not so retarded if you lost it braking hard in the wet at the lights too.

But nobody said you had to stop in a hurry.

[sil3nt]

I quite frankly don't give a dam if you guys feel wet road riding does not impair stopping distances but even the NZTA in their safety bulletins state otherwise so they must be talking shit too eh!!

Where did I say wet weather does not impair stopping distances? I am suggesting that you are grossly underestimating how hard you can brake in wet conditions.

[Erelyes]

I personally would never practise hard braking on a wet road because I don't have the money to afford dropping the bike while practising like you do. It may give you a false sense of security as there is no guarantee when you have to do a real emergency stop the road will not be more slippery than your practise stretch of road. Some of us and 2 others in this debate agree with me that risking a ticket is cheaper than risking dropping your bike and I did say I am able to stop for amber lights most of the time in the wet but I would never do it at the risk of dropping my bike.

The whole idea of practicing braking is not to 'find the limit' but to learn how to read what the bike is telling you as you approach it.

Yes, it's a similar concept between dry and wet weather braking.

Yet wet weather braking has its own nuances, and to not practice it out of fear, is just an admission you haven't a clue where the limit would be anyway.

[bogan]

some of us do not care to find out especially on wet roads.

What exactly is your approach then? don't bother trying to stop at all? or is it the brolly and bus pass option?

[bogan]

Yes that's right if I am so close to the intersection where I feel I would come off if I tried to stop I just don't bother trying unless of course there is a vehicle in my path.

and how hard will you try and stop if a vehicle is in your path? In such a situation you would want to stop as hard as possible, surely?

[GTRMAN]

and how hard will you try and stop if a vehicle is in your path? In such a situation you would want to stop as hard as possible, surely?

Come on Bogan, there is no point arguing with Cassina. You may as well shout at windmills.

Cassina, by all means ride in whatever manner suites you. But please do not offer advice on subjects you patently have no clue about. Every rider should know exactly how fast they can stop their bike, on as many different road surfaces as possible. The way you talk it is only a matter of time before you end up a hood ornament or a wet patch on someone's boot lid

[R650R]

I doubt this law gets used very often, would be pretty hard to properly enforce...
If we're going to have stuff like this they should add people who late brake at lights already red on their side and get off on making other traffic stop.
The junction of Links and Pakowhai/SH2 is good for this, you see the sick smirk of some saddo all gleeful that they made a big truck slam on its brakes for the lights, makes you think to hell with it maybe run the yellow next time...
There seesm to be a massive inconsistency of light phasing around the country, I see someone stated something about size of intersection etc but there should be set standard and no instant sensor triggering of reds on major through routes like when trying to go round the old Hamilton bypass...
We should do away with traffic light enforcement and just treat them as a guide as no ones really being saved by the halfway behaviour at moment, just look at how cautious people are when there are broken.

[Gremlin]

If I wanted to avoid impact I would stop as hard as possible but why risk coming off just practising on a wet road?

With that idea in mind... how exactly did you start riding?

[Mom]

Take a taxi in Auckland, the drivers here slow down for green traffic lights in the hope they turn orange/yellow and they can stop

[bogan]

If I wanted to avoid impact I would stop as hard as possible but why risk coming off just practising on a wet road?

Cos it is the lower risk, knowing how to ride mitigates more risks than any risk involved in learning. In this case not knowing how to stop as quick as possible results in only one thing, a longer stopping distance.

Come on Bogan, there is no point arguing with Cassina. You may as well shout at windmills.

Cassina, by all means ride in whatever manner suites you. But please do not offer advice on subjects you patently have no clue about. Every rider should know exactly how fast they can stop their bike, on as many different road surfaces as possible. The way you talk it is only a matter of time before you end up a hood ornament or a wet patch on someone's boot lid

Yeh, but my flatmates look at me funny when I do that, and I don't think the sounds carries as far as the windmills either...

[Erelyes]

The whole idea of practicing braking is not to 'find the limit'

You have overlooked the fact the road surface can have an influence on your braking limit

Wait... what? That's the crux of the whole argument. That's the whole freakin' topic - that grip can vary and we should practice braking on various grip levels accordingly.

Whatever, you keep doing your ostrich thing and stick (!) to dry riding

[bogan]

I am not offering advise but am simply saying what works for me.

Let's be honest though, your approaches haven't been working all that well, how many accidents have you been in so far?

[ducatilover]

I am not offering advise but am simply saying what works for me. If everyone knew the exact stopping distance of their vehicle on any surface there would be no accidents now would there? I think you are kidding yourself if you think you can predict your stopping distance in any situation and with your way of thinking you might be the one becoming the hood ornament. To say you know your exact stopping distance does that include on icy roads as well?

So, don't practice controlling your braking? Ever? Panic braking and lowsiding in to a car is bad ass, stopping or avoiding a car is for faggots and wimps

[ducatilover]

Let's be honest though, your approaches haven't been working all that well, how many accidents have you been in so far?

Conception.
Birth.

Two major ones so far