Japa vs. American/Euro Rivalry!

**James Deuce** · 23rd January 2004, 20:05

Originally Posted by Motu

So,real bikers only go up in power size and price - to opt for less makes one less of a rider....sorry,looks like I am now dickless.

Oh dear! Looks like I am in this category too, for I surrendered 10HP to go from a CBR600 to a TRX850. One of my fave bikes of all time was my VFR400 (Pro-Arm - NC24 I think). I fanged it round on the road, toured, and then bought an F3 kit for it from Japan. Got 64HP at the rear wheel and it just rawked at the track because I could WRING ITS NECK. Without scaring the bejeezus out of myself, and if there is one thing I hate it is scaring myself.

The TRX is reminding me of that bike, except with about twice the torque.

I really don't buy the bigger is better thing. Most 250s leave a Mitsi Galant for dead up to about 140 which is buh bye license AND bike now. They are also light, nimble, stop on a dime, which must be SOME fun surely. When I came off my restricted I went from an RG250 to an RG400 and just went YUK! and bought a new GSXR250 2 months later and rode it for year before getting the VFR. My point is that its a poersonal choice, ride what you like, and don't let anyone bully you into anything you feel uncomfortable about. Stepping out of your depth because your "peers" told you too is just stupid.

Never understood brand loyalty or "type" loyalty either. If it works, is fun, makes you feel good, buy it and ride. If it garners attention from members of the opposite (or whatever your flavour is) gender, then that's a bonus!

**Jackrat** · 23rd January 2004, 20:08

Mike,you may not want to get into a slaging match but if you read your history books you will find Japan did propose a conditonal surrender before the yanks Nuked em'.
All the male members of my family took part in the war at the time.
So I do know what I'm talking about,As I DID point out I had it ramed down my throat myself when I bought my own first Jap bike.
It still remains a weak reason to dislike Jap bikes by those who were not even born at the time.No disrespect to your father or anybody else who served against the japs at the time,but it should be pretty obvious they are not the people we are talking about.As to the second part of your post where you do discuss the point,I have owned two Harleys,one Ducati,and five british bikes.I have never felt I needed to justify buying any of them for any reason,but then I don't bag other riders bikes either,or their reasons for riding them.

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 20:59

Originally Posted by Motu

So,real bikers only go up in power size and price - to opt for less makes one less of a rider....sorry,looks like I am now dickless.

Yeah exactly.......Zed is living in his own little world - 10 foot tall and bullet proof (and fulla shit)

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 21:04

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Each to his own I guess,but there is no way you will convince me that size/brand and type of bike relates to how safe it is,it all comes down to the individual riders attitude.

Exactly.

I rode the PANTS off my R1.........and enjoyed every minute of it (excpet for the last 5 seconds)......however I would not say the type of riding it encouraged was safe nor sensible.

There is NO place on the road for 180hp+ machines......same as there is no need for 600hp+ cars.

The fact is, this provides you with more ability to kill yourself - than being safe..

Zed - you obviously feel like you are some kind of biker.....I am guessing with a bigger mouth than ability. However until you have ridden with some of the other Kiwibikers that I have ridden with on this site - I will reserve judgement.

I know my ability.....you appear to be a little self conscious about yours.

If you want a humbling experience - go for a ride with Andy on his 250.....then come back and mouth off the same words. As ANYONE on here will attest - he is more than a match for any proud cock on a big bore sports bike (or outdated 600)

**Indiana_Jones** · 23rd January 2004, 21:22

Can't we all just get along?

-Indy

**Zed** · 23rd January 2004, 21:37

Originally Posted by wkid_one

Yeah exactly.......Zed is living in his own little world - 10 foot tall and bullet proof (and fulla shit)

enuf said!

**Zed** · 23rd January 2004, 21:39

Originally Posted by wkid_one

Exactly.

I rode the PANTS off my R1.........and enjoyed every minute of it (excpet for the last 5 seconds)......however I would not say the type of riding it encouraged was safe nor sensible.

There is NO place on the road for 180hp+ machines......same as there is no need for 600hp+ cars.

The fact is, this provides you with more ability to kill yourself - than being safe..

Zed - you obviously feel like you are some kind of biker.....I am guessing with a bigger mouth than ability. However until you have ridden with some of the other Kiwibikers that I have ridden with on this site - I will reserve judgement.

I know my ability.....you appear to be a little self conscious about yours.

If you want a humbling experience - go for a ride with Andy on his 250.....then come back and mouth off the same words. As ANYONE on here will attest - he is more than a match for any proud cock on a big bore sports bike (or outdated 600)

enuf said!

**Jackrat** · 23rd January 2004, 21:43

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Can't we all just get along?

-Indy

Hey we tried that in the sixtys.
It didn't work.

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 22:05

Originally Posted by Jackrat

Hey we tried that in the sixtys.
It didn't work.

and it would be boring

**Zed** · 23rd January 2004, 23:00

Originally Posted by wkid_one

Yeah exactly.......Zed is living in his own little world - 10 foot tall and bullet proof (and fulla shit)

Hey Dan,

I've been reading through your threads about your accident and came across that same bullet proof phrase...you quoted it about yourself dude!

Lets get one thing straight & clear- from what I gather you have not had many years experience on bikes, correct? and yet you've come off at least twice in the last 18months. I on the other hand have been riding for 18 years and have never had an accident. It's not because I think myself to be bulletproof that I havn't come off, but rather because I ride safe (which you don't/didn't on your own admission.)

Don't take out your frustrations on me because you think I am like you- I ain't kid...and don't you forget it.

Zed

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 23:21

LOL - I have made no bones about my riding style....everyone who I have ridden with on here knows what it is like - and it is the very reason I am curtailing my ROAD riding. I KNEW I was going to crash again, and again, by my own admission foretold that very fact. Did it stop me from riding hard....nah as it was a calculated risk of riding. And it was 19 months 15 days between accidents.

My last accident was the result of diesel on the road.....admittedly which I didn't see and was trying to slide BOTH my knee and rear tyre thru unbeknownst to me. I was first to admit my failings.

I will be controversial and say - if you haven't had an accident - you aren't pushing yourself hard enough......keep riding soft but upright.

Don't mistake riding safe with being a good rider......even Rossi falls off now and then. I know people who have been riding for years with chicken strips 2 inches wide.

PS - it is wkid_one/wkid unless you know me......

(Some people are just all too easy to get under the skin of - no challenge)

Now I am off to the pub for some more beers.

**Zed** · 23rd January 2004, 23:33

I said I ride safe, not soft. But I know you're only being a prat talking that way.

If you still rode I would gladly challenge you! The last guy I went riding with couldn't keep up...and technially he was on a faster bike, GSXR600.

How many years riding experience did you say you had?

I called you Dan to bait you- it worked! Personally I don't like your nick because it represents the antichrist in the Bible. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Of course you call evil good and good evil, only because you don't know the truth about life & death.

Zed

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 23:50

Originally Posted by Zed

Personally I don't like your nick because it represents the antichrist in the Bible. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Of course you call evil good and good evil, only because you don't know the truth about life & death.

Zed

Me likes that......however the origins of the name are somewhat more boring.....coming from my number plate - so sorry to disappoint.

As for a challenge.....I am not quick......I just enjoy riding. Jesus, in fact I am an utterly USELESS rider.....first to admit it.

Looks like my ride to the pub is late...fuck it.....too late now anyway