Evidential contrast leading to frustration

[Drew]

Does anyone know, is it a bylaw in Auckland or false advertising on the part of bike shops that at one point or another almost all the bike shops have told me in one form or another that I can ride in cycle lanes?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

It is legal in Aukland (or parts of it) for bikes to use bus lanes, dunno about cycle lanes. Causes grief when the green light for busses only comes on, and there's a motorbike at the front of the cue.

[R650R]

Vincent Vega: Aw, man. I shot Marvin in the face.
Jules Winnfield: Why the fuck did you do that?

Yes accidents happen even when not intended, great example of the car vs bike problem.

As I also said earlier, the only way to reduce cyclist road rage is for cyclists to have their own space that cars cannot use.

Do you know what they put on French fries in Amsterdam?

I hate to break this to you but cars and trucks have already been doing the separate lane thing and still there's crashes...
The only real solution will be to upgrade the size of sewer pipes so they become a network of cycle tunnels. Lets face it very few of them cycle in rain and suddenly reveal they are closet car owners so will be safe in storm water system...
What we need is a change in behaviour from both sides. But we wont have that while the cyclists annoy the %^*& out of joe blow public with their constant whining and political lobbying of councils for special treatment and funding at tax payers expense. The NZ tall poppy syndrome is prob at work too with many poverty stricken motorists prob pissed at being held up by some obese mid life crisis lance Armstrong wannabe on a 10K carbon fibre bike worth more than most of the cars their holding up.
It would be an interesting experiment to get a control group of cyclists to convert to riding to work on old crappers for month with no helmet and no his vis or lycra and see if change in behaviour from both groups...

[SMOKEU]

I suggest you google "cycle mirrors" images...you may get a shock at the range, shit, you can even get them with indicators and running lights.

...or is it asking FAR to much to ask cycles to invest $20-$50 to add to there own road safety?...or is it easier to just sit back and demand change from others while making no effort or change yourself

Cyclist need to move into the 21st century...the roads have changed, but they seem to reluctant to adapt even for there own safety?...hence, let the law do it for them (Like THATS ever gonna happen!...they seem to be invisible to the popo and currently get away with murder!...there own!!)

I can't imagine those tiny bar end mirrors being all that useful. I just turn my head to look behind me when I need to.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes accidents happen even when not intended, great example of the car vs bike problem.



I hate to break this to you but cars and trucks have already been doing the separate lane thing and still there's crashes...
The only real solution will be to upgrade the size of sewer pipes so they become a network of cycle tunnels. Lets face it very few of them cycle in rain and suddenly reveal they are closet car owners so will be safe in storm water system...
What we need is a change in behaviour from both sides. But we wont have that while the cyclists annoy the %^*& out of joe blow public with their constant whining and political lobbying of councils for special treatment and funding at tax payers expense. The NZ tall poppy syndrome is prob at work too with many poverty stricken motorists prob pissed at being held up by some obese mid life crisis lance Armstrong wannabe on a 10K carbon fibre bike worth more than most of the cars their holding up.
It would be an interesting experiment to get a control group of cyclists to convert to riding to work on old crappers for month with no helmet and no his vis or lycra and see if change in behaviour from both groups...

I'm sory to say it but you are full of shit. I am talking about cycle commuting. You seem to be talking about people who can afford nicer bikes than you do.

"lobbying" Who the hell spends more money than anyone and with more success lobbying gubblemunt than the truckies forum (sorry Road Transport Forum).

Add to that a blinkered approach from councils that "car is king", a refusal or inability to invest in a sustainable, mostly enjoyable alternative that pays for itself and has upside benefits for everyone INCLUDING car and truck drivers, and you have the clusterfuck that is road transport in this country.

Do trucks and cars have separate lanes from each other? where? talk to me about these crashes that still happen, please do.

I will say it again: if you have a separate transport infrastructure that physically separates cyclists from other vehicle users it is safer for the cyclists, it is better for car driving drones and truckies alike. What part of that dont you get? IT HELPS YOU AND IT COSTS FUCK ALL.

[Banditbandit]

We've got a Dutch Cheese Shop just down the road that sells them so i you've got something similar down your way it could be worth checking out.

[unstuck]

Just keep that digger out of the cycle lanes Unstuck or Rastus in gunna get you..

Cycle lane, in Gore......

You have never been here have you. Takes me 8 and a half minuets to do alap of gore on the push bike, in rush hour.

[buggerit]

Cycle lane, in Gore......

You have never been here have you. Takes me 8 and a half minuets to do alap of gore on the push bike, in rush hour.

with or without a crate

[pritch]

LOL...I live in hope?

...just seems odd that all other vehicles are forced by law an commonsence to have mirrors...yet cyclists? (And the stats prove most cyclists are hit from behind...linky?)

This baffled me the first time I read it but I just thought WTF? Here it is again so I can't let it pass. If the stats prove that cyclists get hit from behind, what are mirrors supposed to do? Create a force field that keeps total muppet drivers at bay?

There seems to be a national disease whereby silly solutions to existing problems are enacted, or we have to initiate silly solutions to non-existent problems.

Locally we have a new 80kph limit on several ks of the main road out of town. The accidents have been caused by muppet drivers pulling out of side roads in front of oncoming traffic. An 80kph limit will not fix that.

Now an idiot Police sergeant is suggesting a 30kph limit for all suburban streets in town. This appears to be a solution in search of a problem, we have not had a rash of pedestrians being mowed down by cars doing between 30 and 50kph. The sergeant should find something more suited to his abilities (whatever they are), like gardening.

/Rant

[unstuck]

with or without a crate

Last crate I bought would of been in 1989.

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Speculaas.html

these look fairly straightforward and the recipe is metric which is nice. Should be fairly do-able I reckon and we will have most of the stuff in the cupboard.

I don't tend to do a lot of baking but I reckon I could knock these up one evening.... so tasty.

[willytheekid]

This baffled me the first time I read it but I just thought WTF? Here it is again so I can't let it pass. If the stats prove that cyclists get hit from behind, what are mirrors supposed to do? Create a force field that keeps total muppet drivers at bay?

There seems to be a national disease whereby silly solutions to existing problems are enacted, or we have to initiate silly solutions to non-existent problems.

I too am baffled Pritch....as to just how hard is it to make a link to limited rear visability and repeat accidents and fatalities involving being hit from behind.

Mirrors certainly won't provide anything more than added visability(altho sheilding...would be damn cool! lol)...the same visability that all road going vehicles enjoy and are legally required to have (something do with studys proving that seeing approaching vehicle's...tends to reduce the chance of pulling out into there path by mistake)

So its certainly NOT a solution, but it may help, and its an affordable option for most to invest $20-$50 to add more visability and safety to there peddly. (I think there are lots of things the public, councils and cops could be implimenting to help....but they seem to be draggin the chain when it comes to action)

...But just to stress a point, I truly do feel for cyclists, they are the most vunerable of our road users...and they are dying at a horriffic rate on our roads, we ALL need to make concessions and make changes to our driving and riding "habits" to have any effect on the current death toll...anything that helps aid the rider and the other road users must be, at the very least, looked at and considered.

...cyclists may not have the leathers...but there on two wheels just like us, hence we as a group, should understand there vunerability a lil-bit more than most, and support there right to ride safely on public roads.

...word up hommies!

[willytheekid]

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Speculaas.html

these look fairly straightforward and the recipe is metric which is nice. Should be fairly do-able I reckon and we will have most of the stuff in the cupboard.

I don't tend to do a lot of baking but I reckon I could knock these up one evening.... so tasty.

RIGHT, YOU TEASING BASTARD!...THATS IT!!

[Robbo]

RIGHT, YOU TEASING BASTARD!...THATS IT!!

HaHaHaHaHa..

[swbarnett]

fully segregated cycle ways (it only will cost $18M FFS) into the city.
legislative change that reverses the onus of proof. Any vehicle that hits a cyclist or motorcyclist is deemed to be at fault until they can establish otherwise.

This is exactly the situation in Switzerland. And it works. And helmets for cyclists were almost non-existent when I was there.

And where there are no cycle paths the motorists and cyclists treat each other with respect.

[swbarnett]

hell, they even bitched an moaned when the helmet law was introduced....and how many lives has that saved?? (Kids mostly thank god)

None. It has been conclusively proven that helmet laws don't work (that's the law, not the helmet). In the 5 years after helmets were made compulsory in NZ the hospital admissions for cyclist head injuries dropped 15%. At the same time that bicycle use dropped 85%.

Sorry, I read that study when it was produced in the late '80s and don't have a link.