Evidential contrast leading to frustration

[HenryDorsetCase]

In Wellington there is exactly this, between Petone and Ngauranga there is a cycle lane separated from the motorway by Armco, built at considerably more cost than fuck all. And you know what - bugger all cyclists use it.

one reason might be that due to the epic brilliance of the transpurt planners at the Petone end it dumps you into an insanely dangerous intersection. One where a senior pleecemin (Steve Foster I think his name was) was killed by a motorist.

I am sure there are stats as to how much use it does get but I dont live in Wellington any more. What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.

When I lived in Wellington and commuted by motorbike it was 20 minutes door to door from Lower Hutt (Maungaraki). 1 hour in the car.

[FJRider]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!

A motorcycle Cop which is the Motorcycle version of the Highway Patrol. Not (usually) a general duties Officer. His duties are not restricted to "harassing" motorcyclists. He is still keen to chat with car and truck drivers ... even cyclists .... should the need arise. (and often does)

And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????

Aside from the fact that the cycle lane is for the sole use and safety of cyclists, some motorcyclists have been injured using it ... and the interest of their (and your) safety ... it IS being patrolled.

And .. his fuckin time is pretty much what he decides it should be. If the people that have the power to veto that ... they WILL. THEY trust his judgement ... as do most that have had contact with him ...

Surprise surprise ... YOU do not have the power or ANY say in the matter. If you don't agree ... TOUGH. I don't give a fuck.

What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Talk to the officers that ARE responsible for the above duties .. but they are not the usual responsibility of the Highway Patrol.

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

He pays tax ... and serves the tax payer ... so he's his own boss. Look in the mirror to see the dumbarse.

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

I'm guessing .. he (or a few of his workmates) have been picking on you. Oh dear how sad. But ... few care. Most will think it rather funny actually.

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Why ... ?? do you need him to give you a hand .. ?? Which outlet do YOU work at .. ?? (so we ALL can avoid it)

[Drew]

apparently because the cycle lane is 'dirty"

And rough as guts. Sure fire way to ensure you need to fix a puncture, riding down it.

We'd better drive a street sweeper down the cunt then!

I have mused this several times, whilst avoiding cyclists on the highway.

There is also another problem with it. The trip home, would require riding the wrong way for a hundred meters or so of 100kph highway.

I hate cyclists on the roads, with a passion. But, some of it is not their fault. They are growing in numbers on the roads, so concession need be made for them. It helps keep congestion down, and it's good for you.

[Drew]

Talk to the officers that ARE responsible for the above duties .. but they are not the usual responsibility of the Highway Patrol.

I wouldn't if I were him. They tend to be a little bit touchy about the fact that they get no life, divorce rates disproportionate to loads of professions with far less stress and more money, usually get fucked over by their boss/the public/lawyers, and generally can't do what they desperately want to do because their hands are tied up by stupid legislation.

Those guys and girls got it rough, and every time there is a fuck up by any officer they get to enjoy nothing but shit from every direction. All for the princely sum of 80 odd grand a year, fucked if I'd even consider the job.

[scumdog]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Hahahahaha!!! y'all ain't from 'round here, are ya?

[R650R]

What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.

But it would be better if they were in a car and less congestion as cars all (generally) do same speed and everyone knows how they will behave.
Where as a cyclist is an unknown quantity that needs to be given more space thereby creating congestion. I reckon every cyclist is equal to set of pretend 30k roadworks except you can speed through roadworks but have to slow down for cyclist or risk a manslaughter charge.

[SMOKEU]

Such a proper network in a major city would require overbridges and small tunnels etc at intersections and you just know that there will be plenty of cyclists that would ignore them as cycling down on the road if timing right would be quicker etc... that's why it will never happen. The reality is that cycling although enjoyable is not a practical option for many workers in the modern age and even in your little private lane utopia few extra people would convert.
When I was in the UK I push biked to work a round trip of seven miles each day, half of that on a busy road. It was a major PITA though and only done due to the ridiculous rates they charge for car insurance over there.
Your 18m dollars would be better spent subsidising bus services which more people would actually use and would be a net benefit in safety to the community.

If people weren't so stupid and lazy, then most able bodied people would realize that they could easily commute by push bike. It's what I've been doing for the past few years, and it's worked out very well for me with the amount of money I've saved, and the convenience of not having to get a taxi or another ride when I'm drunk. Watching all those dumbasses sitting in traffic in their cages is quite funny while I go past.

Oh yeah!There are some big differences in the Netherlands with respect to cylists; for a start, because EVERYONE cycles some time, cyclists have special rights (like, they have right of way in mixed traffic). Because of this, there is a LOT of tolerance AND patience WRT cyclists. And as has been mentioned, a lot of the cycle routes are physically separated from roads.
It all just works. (Apart from drunken cyclists hiffing bikes in the canals and rivers all the time...)

Unfortunately NZ is too backward for a system like that.

But it would be better if they were in a car and less congestion as cars all (generally) do same speed and everyone knows how they will behave.
Where as a cyclist is an unknown quantity that needs to be given more space thereby creating congestion. I reckon every cyclist is equal to set of pretend 30k roadworks except you can speed through roadworks but have to slow down for cyclist or risk a manslaughter charge.

Do you seriously think that cagers drive in a predictable manner? Most cagers are an "unknown quantity" as you never know when they're going to quickly change lane without indicating or fail to give way. Cyclists still do contribute to congestion a whole lot less than cars do.

[skinman]

When I was younger I used to ride to work from Howick to Panmure. No cycle lanes, shit road.
Best accidents:
hit from behind by car towing trailer wider than itself, I got launched into the shrubbery.
car turned right in front of me=flying lesson.
car turned left while alongside, relativily painless as went around corner leaning on the car.
car came out of side road & hit back wheel=another flying lesson
Kid stepped out onto road x2=more flying
Hit gravel from crap roadworks=long slide job

Got very good at looking for people opening doors etc

mirrors would not help as there is not much you can do when your riding along minding your own business & some blind driver just mows you down. If you are going to swing out generally your spiddy sense will let you know a car is there or just have a look.

I never ran reds but did try to kick cars if they were still in the intersection when my light was green, got a few too

[Akzle]

fuck, enough already!
Isnt there a butt hurt cyclist forum for you lycra fags to go and menstruate all over??
FAAAAACKKK OOORRFFFFF

[SMOKEU]

Got very good at looking for people opening doors etc

I wouldn't mind giving someone a proper hiding if they do that to me. Fucking dumb fuckers that should be lined up and shot.

fuck, enough already!
Isnt there a butt hurt cyclist forum for you lycra fags to go and menstruate all over??
FAAAAACKKK OOORRFFFFF

Better?

[Marmoot]

What about if the bike moves as slow as a cycle (around 20 - 35 kph)?
If you think a bike moving the same pace as cycles, makes louder sound than cycles, have headlights, brake lights, and turn signals are still in a bad position there, what about cyclists?

[rastuscat]

Yeah i ride in cycle lanes all the time, and gone past many cops without issue. I thought we were allowed to use them? we need to sort this out, I don't wanna get a ticket!!

There's nothing to sort out. It's against the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 for a moped or motorcycle to ride in a special vehicle lane designated for cycles.

Just coz so many cops do nothing about it doesn't make it legal.

[rastuscat]

...cyclists may not have the leathers...

Just recreational ones......

[rastuscat]

one reason might be that due to the epic brilliance of the transpurt planners at the Petone end it dumps you into an insanely dangerous intersection. One where a senior pleecemin (Steve Foster I think his name was) was killed by a motorist.

I am sure there are stats as to how much use it does get but I dont live in Wellington any more. What I would say to you is that EVERY cyclist on it is one less car cluttering up your morning commute.

When I lived in Wellington and commuted by motorbike it was 20 minutes door to door from Lower Hutt (Maungaraki). 1 hour in the car.

Steve Fitzgerald. Legend, gentleman and visionary, actually.

[rastuscat]

So let me get this right: you're a cop, who is designated to harassing motorcyclist - you're saying that the cops do single out motorcyclist !!!!



And being a Police officer the best use of your fuckin time is sit and wait to catch motorcyclist in cycle lanes????





What a bloody disgrace!! never mind the backlog of childabuse, who gives a flying f**k about all the annoying home burglaries the police cant find time to investigate, or protection orders to enforce - nooooo that would be too much like work wouldn't it
think I'll just go sit on the side of the road to catch the evil motorcyclists ........

Police have forgotten they are public servant - there to serve the public, not their own fucked up sense of reality
who pays your bloody wages - we do you dumbarse

Your own code of conduct states you are to be imbued with a spirit of service to your community - you clearly don't give a toss about your community - just being a fuckin Nazi picking on people who are just trying to get around a bit more efficiently than others

try doing us a favour and go work at McDonalds

Interesting perspective.

23% of the Police funding comes from the Land Transport Fund, specifically for the purpose of road policing. For that reason, we are held accountable for ensuring that 23% of our efforts are on road policing.

I get allocated a job, and I get to go out and decide how to do it.

I'm sorry that the Police who are supposed to do the stuff you mention haven't. Maybe speaking to the local District Commander would change that.

Venting your obscene ignorance on here is most unlikely to change much. Still, amazing what a good venting can do to cleanse the soul.

I sit and wonder each day what I can do improve the lot of cyclists and motorcyclists (as I am both) on our roads, and as time allows I take action to implement the law as it stands to try to improve things.

My sincerest apologies for having upset your vision of the world.

I won't be applying for work at Maccas any time soon.

Now, Dunkin Donuts I might consider.