Does anyone know the fine for riding a bike outside your licence CC restriction?

**fpsware** · 23rd January 2004, 13:09

And if anyone has been caught doing so, have you been able to talk your way out of it?

**bungbung** · 23rd January 2004, 13:52

I think there is a flat fine for breaking licence conditions. This can include stuff like time limits, whether you need to wear glasses etc.

This (for correcting lenses) is $400.

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 14:08

And an extension to your license restriction

**Motoracer** · 23rd January 2004, 14:12

What fine?

I have been pulled over countless number of times and no one seems to know about the rule that says you can't ride a 400 with out your full. If you ride a R1 on your ristricted then that might be obvious enough but you can get away with a 400 almost every time. I've been on the ZXR 400 for about 4 years now and I still haven't got around to getting my full yet.

**jrandom** · 23rd January 2004, 14:18

Yes, the fixed penalty for breaking license restrictions is $400 and 25 license points a pop. This means that, say, if you're pulled over while carrying a pillion on a 400cc with no L-plate, on a learner license, down the motorway at 100kph, you could be out $1600 and an instant 100 points (and therefore no license for three months).

In my limited experience the cops are pretty reasonable with these rules, though... generally if you've been pulled over on some other generic thing the license restrictions will get you an earful but they won't bother ticketing you on both so you'll (hopefully) get off with the standard $150 traffic fine for crooking your little finger in the wrong direction as you go round a corner, or whatever.

Lesson is to get onto the restricted and then full as fast as possible, and try not to get pulled over in the meantime.

**Slim** · 23rd January 2004, 14:25

From the LTSA Site:

What if I break the conditions of my learner or restricted licence?
Each time you are caught offending you will get 25 demerit points and a $400 fine or a fine of up to $1,000 if you are summoned to appear in court. If you crash, your insurance claim could be delayed or declined. Licences are suspended for three months if a driver gets 100 or more demerit points within two years (and in addition to more court appearances, vehicles can be impounded for 28 days if a person is caught driving with a suspended licence.

Motoracer: I have a strange feeling that your learner or restricted licence (whichever applies) may expire. Might pay to check before you have to start the whole process again!

**Motoracer** · 23rd January 2004, 14:35

After you alrmed me for a sec there slim, I just had a quick look at my licence. Turns out I have another 6 years till it expires

. I should get my full sometime this year hopefully anyway. Its just about haveing to spend another $180 (car+bike) for yet another thing.

**Slim** · 23rd January 2004, 15:07

Originally Posted by Motoracer

After you alrmed me for a sec there slim, I just had a quick look at my licence. Turns out I have another 6 years till it expires

. I should get my full sometime this year hopefully anyway. Its just about haveing to spend another $180 (car+bike) for yet another thing.

I just rang the LTSA to check. Even if your current licence expires & you then renew it, you will still be on learner/restricted that you were on previously.

Dunno where I got the idea you had to get the next step in your licence done within a certain period of time.

**Hitcher** · 23rd January 2004, 15:35

This is one area where the LTSA and Police are prepared to cut riders some slack. The reason: there are many bikers out there on NZ roads who have been riding bikes for years -- some over 25 -- who don't have class 6 licences!! (yes possums, it's true!). Both the LTSA and the cops are keen to get these guys (they're pretty much exclusively boys) licenced and legal, hence the slack cutting to riders on restricted tickets (unless they're younger than 25 years).

This programme is one of the drivers behind the competency-based class 6 restricted licence exemption programme being pilotted in Wellington and Auckland (through accredited LTSA instructors). You can even apply for an exemption to do the formal parts of this programme on "the bike you normally ride". Get a full class 6 green licence in four months!!

But remember that cops generally pull riders over for a reason other than wanting to look at their licence (speeding, dangerous riding, failure to stop, indicate, yada yada yada) so you're probably going to get pinged for that offence anyway.

So if slack is being cut, don't abuse the priviledge and f*** things up for everybody else!!

**Slim** · 23rd January 2004, 16:04

Talking about slack being cut .....

I was t-boned by a lady in a Triumph Spitfire who'd only had her licence taken off her a week before she "met" me for dangerous driving, and at the time I only had a restricted c@r licence. The time of the accident was after 10pm.

The officer who attended was most apologetic when he visited me in the A+E later that evening, saying that he had to write me a ticket because of all the other paperwork that had been done, so he gave me a Wrong Class of Licence ticket for a whopping $50!!!

Some weeks later when the owner of the bike was trying to drag money out of the lady who'd hit me, she did a big bleat about me not having a motorcycle licence, so he turned around & told her flat out that at least I had some sort of licence, which was more than she could say!

**Andrew** · 23rd January 2004, 20:04

I have a full car license and a restricted motorcycle license. The trouble is that my license says "Restricted license" at the top. This means that you have to read the fine print on my license in order to determine that it is also a full car license.

There was this one time when I was driving in the car after 10pm with a bunch of mates in the back. I got pulled up by cops doing compulsory breath testing. The cop asked for my license and told me that I had a restricted license. He said that I was breaking my license on two accounts and that I would have a $800 fine. When he started to write out the ticket I told him to take a harder look at the license because it was actually a full car license. The cop just thought I was being smart but he looked at it anyway. After a lot of negotiating with his coworkers he gave my license back and said "sweet as drive safely".

Well I didn't seem to think that it was seet as, this rude cop didn't even apologise for taking 10 mins of messing me around to acknowledge that I WASN'T breaking the law in any shape or form.

but makes me think a lot lower of cops.

**Andrew** · 23rd January 2004, 20:09

Also when I was coming home from work today I got pulled up by a bike cop. He asked me if I knew what he pulled me up for? I thought it could be failure to stay in the lane, because I was lane splitting. This wasn't the reason, he didn't like the fact that I went over a yellow light.

He then did a rego check, WOF check, and license check. He said that if I had failed to have WOF, REGO, or an L license, that he would have ticked me $150.

If you go over a yellow light does that mean you're breaking the law? From what I could pick up he didn't seem to be able to ticket me - is this correct? Or was he just legally able to give me a ticket, but let me off with a warning?

**wkid_one** · 23rd January 2004, 21:10

He can only if it is deemed unsafe to do so - or the cop feels you had adequate time to stop on the amber.

Here is another useless fact. In NZ, the road rules are such - that provided you have entered an intersection on a green light - you are allowed to exit the intersection regardless of the light. I had an argument with a cop that based on this - if I crept over the white line at the lines, I have theoretically entered the intersection and could therefore exit on an orange or red......and it actually worked.

**Big Dog** · 24th January 2004, 03:29

Originally Posted by Andrew

I have a full car license and a restricted motorcycle license. The trouble is that my license says "Restricted license" at the top. This means that you have to read the fine print on my license in order to determine that it is also a full car license.

You could always demand to have the two licenses printed seperately. Cost:$10 per copy (or it was in 2000 anyway.).

That way you will get a green full license and a yellow learner. For the sake of twenty dollars it could save you a lot of hassle. Unless you normally upgrade both licenses on the same day they should have been seperate any way.

**sAsLEX** · 24th January 2004, 08:28

With regards to holding a Full car license and learners bike, do the time restrictions still hold true??

I have had my full car license for years now and dont wish to have to wait till I get my full to ride after hours

P.s. Where is a good biker friendly place around Auckland to get restricted/full license tests done??