Does anyone know the fine for riding a bike outside your licence CC restriction?

**spudchucka** · 24th January 2004, 10:30

Originally Posted by Andrew

I have a full car license and a restricted motorcycle license. The trouble is that my license says "Restricted license" at the top. This means that you have to read the fine print on my license in order to determine that it is also a full car license.

There was this one time when I was driving in the car after 10pm with a bunch of mates in the back. I got pulled up by cops doing compulsory breath testing. The cop asked for my license and told me that I had a restricted license. He said that I was breaking my license on two accounts and that I would have a $800 fine. When he started to write out the ticket I told him to take a harder look at the license because it was actually a full car license. The cop just thought I was being smart but he looked at it anyway. After a lot of negotiating with his coworkers he gave my license back and said "sweet as drive safely".

Well I didn't seem to think that it was seet as, this rude cop didn't even apologise for taking 10 mins of messing me around to acknowledge that I WASN'T breaking the law in any shape or form.

but makes me think a lot lower of cops.

The Land Transport Act allows the police to detain a driver at the road side for up to 15 minutes in order to establish identity and licence details etc. The cop had nothing to apologise for, if he was rude thats another matter.

**spudchucka** · 24th January 2004, 10:36

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

With regards to holding a Full car license and learners bike, do the time restrictions still hold true??

I have had my full car license for years now and dont wish to have to wait till I get my full to ride after hours

P.s. Where is a good biker friendly place around Auckland to get restricted/full license tests done??

The restrictions that apply to your bike licence will apply regardless of what other full licence classes you hold. Obviously they only apply to when you are riding a bike.

**sAsLEX** · 24th January 2004, 15:02

Thats what I thought, will have to speed up the getting of a full license then

**georgedubyabush** · 25th January 2004, 08:43

I've had the exact same situation as Andrew also

**marty** · 25th January 2004, 09:31

Originally Posted by wkid_one

And an extension to your license restriction

there is no longer an extension added to the licence - that went out in 1998 with the new Land Transport Act. It is simply a $400 fine for ANY licence breach, including 'wrong class of licence', which used to be $55.

all licence breaches carry 25 demerits.

and it is an offence to fail to stop for an amber traffic signal. generally, you will get a ticket from a traffic car, if the opposing light has turned green, and you are still in the intersection, as the phase timing is usually enough to allow someone travelling at the speed limit to enter the intersection as the light turns orange, and be exited before the opposing traffic turns green.

in reality about the only bikers that get tickets for breaching thier 6L/6R are gang members - demerits = suspension = impoundment = jail time.

**Drunken Monkey** · 27th January 2004, 07:24

Originally Posted by wkid_one

He can only if it is deemed unsafe to do so - or the cop feels you had adequate time to stop on the amber.

Here is another useless fact. In NZ, the road rules are such - that provided you have entered an intersection on a green light - you are allowed to exit the intersection regardless of the light. I had an argument with a cop that based on this - if I crept over the white line at the lines, I have theoretically entered the intersection and could therefore exit on an orange or red......and it actually worked.

This is only true in so much as you are only allowed to enter an intersection IF it is clear enough for you to pass through it without blocking the intersection...Glad you talked your way out of it tho.

**Slingshot** · 27th January 2004, 13:08

In the Dominion Post today there's an write-up about the police taking a zero-tolerence to Licence resrtrictions.
It's come about after the young lady was killed in the weekend in a car crash, she was only on her learners and was carrying passengers and had no L-Plate.
Bad news for all of us L-plate riders that chose to break the rules

**Motoracer** · 27th January 2004, 13:28

Haha, lucky for me, I have gone from 400 to 250. Now I am all legal to ride with my restricted licence.

**Redstar** · 27th January 2004, 18:07

cops are pretty reasonable with these rules, though... generally if you've been pulled over on some other generic thing the license restrictions will get you an earful but they won't bother ticketing you on both so you'll (hopefully) get off with the standard $150 traffic fine for crooking your little finger in the wrong direction as you go round a corner, or whatever.

I think bazarr as this it sounds they like to fine you for something wrong and bollock you for another so if you ride on a restricted on a 250plus make sure your WOF is well expired too that way you pay

$200 much cheaper

**Sycophant** · 27th January 2004, 22:40

I currently only have an L (simply haven't had the time or money to step up) - and have been riding on it for about a year.

I have been pulled over twice, both times well outside the hours I was legally allowed to ride (after midnight both times) - the first was for an illegal right turn I performed in front of an unmarked police car - foolish me. He never even mentioned the licence thing, but fined me $150 for the turn.

The second was on the way home was working one night. I had broken my tail light moving my bike into a tight spot (long story, it was the Ports Of Auckland's fault) - a couple of hours earlier. I was pulled over and warned for it (by an unmarked traffic unit) but not fined when I explained that it had only occured. Again, the licence was not mentioned.

However my new job has me working 3pm to midnight most nights, which means I am riding outside my conditions every night. I have emailed the LTSA to ask if a work-related exemption is available, but not heard back. I will upgrade to 6R soon, but that won't change the hours.

**Big Dog** · 28th January 2004, 16:35

Originally Posted by Sycophant

However my new job has me working 3pm to midnight most nights, which means I am riding outside my conditions every night. I have emailed the LTSA to ask if a work-related exemption is available, but not heard back. I will upgrade to 6R soon, but that won't change the hours.

Go in to any ltsa licensing agent and ask for an endorsement form (generic) state your case and pay your $28 (or it was three years ago anyway.) You need something bearing your work address and your home address (so that they can see you can't just walk it) and a letter from your boss saying this is the only time you can be scheduled for work.

You will be issued with a temporary endorsement for thirty days while it is considered and then you will get a new copy of your license (bearing a permanent endorsement) in the mail in 20-30 days a letter stating your endorsment was declined and why.

If you have no luck go and see winz and tell them you will soon be unemployed if they can't help.... then they will crack the appropriate whip (unless you have a vehicle registered to you that is on a full license)

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**Coldkiwi** · 28th January 2004, 17:13

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Go in to any ltsa licensing agent and ask for an endorsement form .

errr yeah... except don't go to the AA. they couldn't organise a piss up in brewery. You have been warned!

I rate VINZ very highly for their service.

**Macktheknife** · 31st August 2005, 21:12

Originally Posted by jrandom

Yes, the fixed penalty for breaking license restrictions is $400 and 25 license points a pop. This means that, say, if you're pulled over while carrying a pillion on a 400cc with no L-plate, on a learner license, down the motorway at 100kph, you could be out $1600 and an instant 100 points (and therefore no license for three months).

In my limited experience the cops are pretty reasonable with these rules, though... generally if you've been pulled over on some other generic thing the license restrictions will get you an earful but they won't bother ticketing you on both so you'll (hopefully) get off with the standard $150 traffic fine for crooking your little finger in the wrong direction as you go round a corner, or whatever.

Lesson is to get onto the restricted and then full as fast as possible, and try not to get pulled over in the meantime.

Correct and if you manage to piss them off enough they can impound your bike just to really piss on your parade!

**Warren** · 31st August 2005, 21:28

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Go in to any ltsa licensing agent and ask for an endorsement form (generic) state your case and pay your $28 (or it was three years ago anyway.) You need something bearing your work address and your home address (so that they can see you can't just walk it) and a letter from your boss saying this is the only time you can be scheduled for work.

You will be issued with a temporary endorsement for thirty days while it is considered and then you will get a new copy of your license (bearing a permanent endorsement) in the mail in 20-30 days a letter stating your endorsment was declined and why.

If you have no luck go and see winz and tell them you will soon be unemployed if they can't help.... then they will crack the appropriate whip (unless you have a vehicle registered to you that is on a full license)

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I did that but they rejected it because I have had 2 speeding tickets. But there is not much traffic to crash into at 2am or 6am when I used to be travelling home anyway. I would rather be a vampire than wake up at 6am for dayshift.