Bright cycle lights?

[R650R]

Cool, grab some on board footage of a Pro Level road race finish then say all riders can do that.

You ride a motorcycle so you must ride like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY9mrKR5SkA

Thanks you've confirmed my point. I don't ride like that on the road but there are tools out there that do including a former flatmate who was a regular knee down road rider and wrapped himself around a powerpole at 140k on the Clevedon road. But ride a motorbike like that and you are subject to enforcement action.
However conduct an official or unofficial cycle race on a public NZ road while there is still oncoming traffic and ride like the cycle video and enforcement turns a blind eye to riders at their fatigue limit riding too close and at speed.
That video look exactly like what we see our local cycle club doing, maybe i'll give you 5-10% slower as their all taking the same drugs Lance Armstrong was anyway... hmmm roadside drug testing for cyclists, some must be on speed with the way they behave in their vigilante roadrage vids...
Its clearly a set of one rules for one sector of road users and no rules for another.

[nzspokes]

Thanks you've confirmed my point. I don't ride like that on the road but there are tools out there that do including a former flatmate who was a regular knee down road rider and wrapped himself around a powerpole at 140k on the Clevedon road. But ride a motorbike like that and you are subject to enforcement action.
However conduct an official or unofficial cycle race on a public NZ road while there is still oncoming traffic and ride like the cycle video and enforcement turns a blind eye to riders at their fatigue limit riding too close and at speed.
That video look exactly like what we see our local cycle club doing, maybe i'll give you 5-10% slower as their all taking the same drugs Lance Armstrong was anyway... hmmm roadside drug testing for cyclists, some must be on speed with the way they behave in their vigilante roadrage vids...
Its clearly a set of one rules for one sector of road users and no rules for another.

I ride my motorcycle a lot out that way and the Yokals cant drive worth a damn.

No, club cycle races are not at all like that. Ive done a good few of them. No they aint on the drugs Armstrong took. That shit is way to expensive for your local club racer.

Slow down Rossi.

[Gremlin]

That video look exactly like what we see our local cycle club doing, maybe i'll give you 5-10% slower as their all taking the same drugs Lance Armstrong was anyway...

First of all, the European tours are massive, think Tour de France but on a slightly smaller scale (not much though). Yes, they are full road closures but it's on a scale we can't imagine. That's also the very end of the stage. Most stages in the tours are around 140-200km and hours of riding and it's only the end where it gets that hectic as they jostle for position (perhaps downhill where the pace picks up). Most of it is actually cruisy in comparison.

NZ has one UCI ranked event (the international cycling body) which isn't even close to the level of the Pro Tours, which has around 100 cyclists and there is a rolling road closure with the assistance of police and outriders that control bridges, junctions and the last 1-2km is closed road. Other major events (not tours) can be on closed roads as well or at the least, with warnings to public.

Having been involved in multiple events with a big variety (amateur to UCI tour), no, nothing gets close to Pro Tour level so your example isn't valid.

[R650R]

Having been involved in multiple events with a big variety (amateur to UCI tour), no, nothing gets close to Pro Tour level so your example isn't valid.

I'll admit I was trolling a little but frequently the local club here has events on narrow busy country roads and they are riding close in packs. There's so much potential for a mass casualty event with these guys riding so close in packs on roads still open to other traffic. Some poor lifestyle block owner or milk tanker driver will pull out of a driveway at wrong moment and be up on a manslaughter charge all because the police/ACC/OSH ignore the clear evident hazard present. Its in complete contrast to the permits and safety conditions required for other sports events and protest marches etc.

[russd7]

generally don't have an issue with cyclists but what does rip me is these tossers out there in there lycra training on our roads and riding in pods of two, three and even four abreast sometimes will have a car or van traveling slowly behind them blocking the road and then get upset when people abuse the wankers. if i come across cyclists training that are being respectful and considerate i will slow down and give them a wide berth but now when i come up behind a pod i will show them no respect at all, if they pulled their heads out of their asses and looked to the light of day and showed the other road users the respect they should then they would get respect in return.
and while i am ranting these dickheads seem to be able to get any road closed and police help for their pathetic self absorbed races but we can no longer get police help when we are doing our easter egg run and get sweet stuff all help for our toy run both of which are fundraisers for our local kids

[Juniper]

The flashy lights annoy me and blind me. There's a reason were not allowed them so I don't see why they should be allowed to have them.

What pisses me off is that they are getting more and more cycle lanes put in our roads and yet they don't pay any road user charges.

Now I don't know how you would rego a bicycle but that doesn't stop my annoyance.

[mikeey01]

What pisses me off is that they are getting more and more cycle lanes put in our roads and yet they don't pay any road user charges. .

Cycle lanes are for cyclists safety (read how dangerous it really is) and it's a myth to think a large majority don't pay in some way, be it rates, Vehicle registration and or road user charges.


Ruscat, I'm sure you are aware of the official NZ Road Code for Cyclists,

- Headlights should be attached to handlebars and pointing down.
- Your lights can be a hazard if used incorrectly. You must not use cycle lighting equipment in such a way that it dazzles, confuses, or distracts so as to endanger the safety of other road users.

Lycra & arrogance with no policing.

[nzspokes]

The flashy lights annoy me and blind me. There's a reason were not allowed them so I don't see why they should be allowed to have them.

What pisses me off is that they are getting more and more cycle lanes put in our roads and yet they don't pay any road user charges.

Now I don't know how you would rego a bicycle but that doesn't stop my annoyance.

Try thinking about this for a bit. Cost of compliance to get bicycles registered is far higher than return. So the cost of the tax is higher than the money they would get back. Ive seen a study on this years ago. It just doesnt work.

And while you are parked up in traffic today, think about this. If 10% of road users rode a bicycle or motorcycle to work there would be no congestion.

So hop on your peddly and ride to work.

[Juniper]

Try thinking about this for a bit. Cost of compliance to get bicycles registered is far higher than return. So the cost of the tax is higher than the money they would get back. Ive seen a study on this years ago. It just doesnt work.

And while you are parked up in traffic today, think about this. If 10% of road users rode a bicycle or motorcycle to work there would be no congestion.

So hop on your peddly and ride to work.

But I wasn't stuck in traffic today, I was on a motorbike lol.

Yeah as I said I can't figure out a remedy for it. Along with the whole ACC thing and the fact they don't pay it.

With the amount of people I see riding bicycles without helmets I don't think its something the police bother policing.

[nzspokes]

Along with the whole ACC thing and the fact they don't pay it.

Well I pay more ACC fees than you so I have right of way on the road.

[Juniper]

Well I pay more ACC fees than you so I have right of way on the road.

Hehe I usually give bigger bikes right of way unless I'm being playful.... or if they can't ride or are holding me up.

We all pay ACC with our jobs, its just bikes and cars pay more ACC to cover road accidents.... but cyclests have road accidents and yet dont pay extra ACC.

[nzspokes]

Hehe I usually give bigger bikes right of way unless I'm being playful.... or if they can't ride or are holding me up.

We all pay ACC with our jobs, its just bikes and cars pay more ACC to cover road accidents.... but cyclests have road accidents and yet dont pay extra ACC.

Again I pay more ACC than you. I pay on 2 cars, 2 bikes and a trailer. So by your thinking I have more right to be on the road.

I also cycle from time to time. So does this mean I dont pay enough?

I cant use all my vehicles at once but have to pay ACC on them all.

How much do road cycle accidents really cost? The ACC figures put in all cycle incidents as one, so off road and kids in the driveway.

You will find most commuting cyclists and recreational ones pay ACC for cars and the like.

[Juniper]

Again I pay more ACC than you. I pay on 2 cars, 2 bikes and a trailer. So by your thinking I have more right to be on the road.

I also cycle from time to time. So does this mean I dont pay enough?

I cant use all my vehicles at once but have to pay ACC on them all.

How much do road cycle accidents really cost? The ACC figures put in all cycle incidents as one, so off road and kids in the driveway.

You will find most commuting cyclists and recreational ones pay ACC for cars and the like.

I use the road so I pay. It's paying road ACC that's the point.

I kinda can see the point of paying ACC per unit. Some are more "dangerous" than others. Not saying I like it but hey.

I also pay for 1 bike and 1 car.

Do they lump all motorbike accidents into 1?

[nzspokes]

I use the road so I pay. It's paying road ACC that's the point.

I kinda can see the point of paying ACC per unit. Some are more "dangerous" than others. Not saying I like it but hey.

I also pay for 1 bike and 1 car.

Do they lump all motorbike accidents into 1?

I believe all motorcycle incidents are as one, includes moped and scooter. I could be wrong on this though.

The ACC levy that would apply to a cyclist would be under $5 per year. Do you really want to start a whole new process for this?

i still pay more than you to be on the road so I still have more rights. As does a mate who owns a trucking business who happens to cycle.

[bogan]

I use the road so I pay. It's paying road ACC that's the point.

I kinda can see the point of paying ACC per unit. Some are more "dangerous" than others. Not saying I like it but hey.

I also pay for 1 bike and 1 car.

Do they lump all motorbike accidents into 1?

There's certainly a double standard, but splitting it up into more subgroups and payment plans is not the way to go. Cyclists get their road ACC payment done on their other vehicle, so why should bikers pay for their other vehicles and a jumped up charge on their bike.

On the other hand, perhaps a benefit of registering pedlies would be increased compliance or ease of enforcement of other good things, like helmets and proper lighting...