Bright cycle lights?

[Juniper]

I believe all motorcycle incidents are as one, includes moped and scooter. I could be wrong on this though.

The ACC levy that would apply to a cyclist would be under $5 per year. Do you really want to start a whole new process for this?

i still pay more than you to be on the road so I still have more rights. As does a mate who owns a trucking business who happens to cycle.

I never stated that more ROAD ACC provides more rights. I stated that we all pay a stock ACC through our employment and that road users pay an additional ACC to use the road. This covers road based incidents.

TBH ACC and Road User Charges are separate debates to a degree. They use the road and are getting cycle lanes and front of the line cycle sections on the road that are solely for them and yet don't pay to use the road.

[Juniper]

There's certainly a double standard, but splitting it up into more subgroups and payment plans is not the way to go. Cyclists get their road ACC payment done on their other vehicle, so why should bikers pay for their other vehicles and a jumped up charge on their bike.

On the other hand, perhaps a benefit of registering pedlies would be increased compliance or ease of enforcement of other good things, like helmets and proper lighting...

Thats just like saying I pay ACC and RUC for my car so why should I have to pay it for my motorbike too? The fact of life is that we do, so they should too.

[bogan]

Thats just like saying I pay ACC and RUC for my car so why should I have to pay it for my motorbike too? The fact of life is that we do, so they should too.

It's not just like that, it is exactly that which I am saying

The other fact of life could be that they don't, so we shouldn't either (my wallet prefers (and currently adheres to) this scenario). It's one of those glass is twice as big as it should be thingos.

[Juniper]

It's not just like that, it is exactly that which I am saying

The other fact of life could be that they don't, so we shouldn't either (my wallet prefers (and currently adheres to) this scenario). It's one of those glass is twice as big as it should be thingos.

Well I don't make the rules I just follow them (most of the time) but WOF and REGO are the rules I try to keep to. My insurance doesn't like me otherwise. And if I'm caught doing something else I don't really need to give them more of an excuse to fine me more.

[neels]

They use the road and are getting cycle lanes and front of the line cycle sections on the road that are solely for them and yet don't pay to use the road.

Cycle lanes, roads, footpaths are paid for by local council, so if the cyclist you are referring to resides in a house then they are paying rates, so by default they are paying for the road they are using.

In fact, I pay more rates than people whose houses are worth less than mine, does that give me more right to use of the road than them?

[Juniper]

Cycle lanes, roads, footpaths are paid for by local council, so if the cyclist you are referring to resides in a house then they are paying rates, so by default they are paying for the road they are using.

In fact, I pay more rates than people whose houses are worth less than mine, does that give me more right to use of the road than them?

Whats people thing with "rights"?

upkeep of the roads is a part of our rego

Vehicle licensing is the regular process through which you pay a fee to use your vehicle on public roads. The fee helps to pay for roading projects and road safety programmes.

Roading projects would be new roads, painting, changing, adding and removing of lanes.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/regi...licensing.html

[Tazz]

I never stated that more ROAD ACC provides more rights. I stated that we all pay a stock ACC through our employment and that road users pay an additional ACC to use the road. This covers road based incidents.

TBH ACC and Road User Charges are separate debates to a degree. They use the road and are getting cycle lanes and front of the line cycle sections on the road that are solely for them and yet don't pay to use the road.

Hmm on the fence on this. I definitely think sports clubs should have to contribute something to ACC considering the claims, but on the whole we're all better off with more people on pushbikes (even if some are retarded enough to use off road lighting on the street ) and if they start bringing in more restrictive fees and crap it will put people off. After that you'll be after people walking on the footpath or national walkways to pay ACC...

They can be annoying as fark and can have bullshit attitudes (someone on here said they ride more than 2 abreast in a group to stop people passing too close. Most other road users do the opposite and move to the left to make sure people can pass... ) but everyone is already paying through the nose for enough crap without the need to force more costs on others just because it's not our own choice of transport and we feel sore about our costs.

Annnnnd back to the lights. Yes some dumbarses have ones that are way to bright, yes it doesn't make sense that they can have pulsing lights but other vehicles can't but they do seem to work (pulsing rear ones are awesome on a long dark straight. I like not running over people because of them.) and yes riders with clearly excessive lighting for the street should be fined like other road users. A lot of those high powered LED lights have 2 or 3 different intensity settings anyway.

[neels]

upkeep of the roads is a part of our rego

Part of the upkeep of the roads is part of our rego, the rest is funded from local rates.....

[Tazz]

Part of the upkeep of the roads is part of our rego, the rest is funded from local rates.....

Eh? That's exactly what she said/you quoted!

And while we're here I'll have you know the upkeep of the roads is part of our rego/vehicle licensing fees

[MarkH]

They use the road and are getting cycle lanes and front of the line cycle sections on the road that are solely for them and yet don't pay to use the road.

Those are solely for them?
Oops!
Oh well, I didn't use them front of the line cycle sections all that many times today
Besides - a bicycle or a 1300cc motorcycle, what's the difference really?

[nzspokes]

Those are solely for them?
Oops!
Oh well, I didn't use them front of the line cycle sections all that many times today
Besides - a bicycle or a 1300cc motorcycle, what's the difference really?

$150 and 20 demerits?

[R650R]

Well some fully scientific real world data from tonight. Had forgotten about this thread so not looking for the problem but hello there it is.
Oncoming cyclist with two bright LED lights on handlebars not seeming to be angled down at all. All ok until he went around a parked car then his lights pointed straight at me.
Definately dazzling and a safety hazard. Was in car and they seemed pretty much at eye level to me.

[Big Dog]

A vegetable this morning was cruising along on his push bike with three flashing bright LEDs.
First reaction was to poke him in the eye and ask how he liked it
Second was to high beam the bastard back.
Third was to provide him a wee lesson in why at least separating them would make him more visible, making two not flash would make him legal and or at least making them all in phase would make it less likely they will give someone a seizure.

Reality? Grit my teeth and carry on. Not worth the aggro.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[bigreddog]

LED's front and rear on my pushie, hi viz vest and a helmet covered in reflective tape... and still they don't see me.
Daily 3.5km commute is a nightmare, opening doors on me, passing too close...turning across In front of me and giving me abuse.....
Bunch of half asleep halfwits driving with one eye on facebook....

Power to the cyclists (not the ones in Lycra tho),and of course the bikers.

[nzspokes]

LED's front and rear on my pushie, hi viz vest and a helmet covered in reflective tape... and still they don't see me.
Daily 3.5km commute is a nightmare, opening doors on me, passing too close...turning across In front of me and giving me abuse.....
Bunch of half asleep halfwits driving with one eye on facebook....

Power to the cyclists (not the ones in Lycra tho),and of course the bikers.

But your from Asburton, I would have thought you know both of those with cars.