Sex on wheels. Yours for $60k

[sidecar bob]

Try riding one of those zzzzzzzzzzzz pre-war bikes some time. They might be slow..ish but they more fun than a barrel of monkeys to ride

But are they more fun than a bed full of slappers?

[imdying]

I think you need to attend a few more CMCRR meetings, where you barely notice some bloke thrashing an Egli Vincent anymore.

Whether somebody puts an Egli in the paddock doesn't have any bearing on whether this bike is being put at risk or not.

I forgot that that bike had never been crashed, or had any parts replaced.

The point is, you could race that bike for another 30 years and it wont be worth any less.

On the contrary... if the major parts (frame, block) of this bike differ from those that won the TT, then this isn't even the same bike, and then has become nothing more than curio, and not at face value worth the asking. Otherwise what is to stop the builder popping another out, with no more than a single part that was at the TT, and then selling that as 'original'?

What is considered 'major parts', and where the line is drawn between "yes it's that bike", or "no it's now something else", has to be at the discretion of the buyer, of course.

[HenryDorsetCase]

On the contrary... if the major parts (frame, block) of this bike differ from those that won the TT, then this isn't even the same bike, and then has become nothing more than curio, and not at face value worth the asking. Otherwise what is to stop the builder popping another out, with no more than a single part that was at the TT, and then selling that as 'original'?

What is considered 'major parts', and where the line is drawn between "yes it's that bike", or "no it's now something else", has to be at the discretion of the buyer, of course.

If you follow the UK classic racing scene (I don't really) its something they struggle with a bit. I read quite a good article on it in a CLASSIC RACER mag a while ago.

[imdying]

If you follow the UK classic racing scene (I don't really) its something they struggle with a bit. I read quite a good article on it in a CLASSIC RACER mag a while ago.

I'm not surprised... you can't have your cake and eat it. You either want to keep it original and a worthy artifact thus you garage/display/preserve it, or bugger the heritage and you race it as the good lord intended. The latter would be my preferred option; as I mentioned before, the people who appreciate this haven't got that many years left... and after that, who will really appreciate it? That and it's a bike, not a painting.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not surprised... you can't have your cake and eat it. You either want to keep it original and a worthy artifact thus you garage/display/preserve it, or bugger the heritage and you race it as the good lord intended. The latter would be my preferred option; as I mentioned before, the people who appreciate this haven't got that many years left... and after that, who will really appreciate it? That and it's a bike, not a painting.

Whilst my SR500 works bike will never be worth huge money...it's certainly worth quite good coin. But I CERTAINLY intend to race it. Tis what the cunting thing was built for after all.

[sidecar bob]

Whether somebody puts an Egli in the paddock doesn't have any bearing on whether this bike is being put at risk or not.

Your origonal argument (I think it was, it keeps moving about a bit) was that you cant have a valuable classic & a classic race bike in the same bike, the vincent was merely evidence that you can. Clearly we will have to agree to disagree.

[imdying]

Whilst my SR500 works bike will never be worth huge money...it's certainly worth quite good coin. But I CERTAINLY intend to race it. Tis what the cunting thing was built for after all.

Your origonal argument (I think it was, it keeps moving about a bit) was that you cant have a valuable classic & a classic race bike in the same bike, the vincent was merely evidence that you can. Clearly we will have to agree to disagree.

It was that it can't be both a play toy and a piece of history worth preserving. That of course is wrong when considered literally, of course you can race it even though it's a piece of history worth preserving!

Of course once you fuck it, it's longer something you can race, or preserve. Is that a tragedy or just the way of it? Depends on your perspective and only the man putting the money down gets to decide that...

My perspective is that given those that care aren't going to be here forever, why not thrash it.

[sidecar bob]

The car guys make the bike guys look like amateurs. We see a bit of F5000 racing here, but the priceless artefacts that get raced overseas is absolutely astonishing. They work on the theory that it will always be worth repairing, because it will never cost as much to fix as it is worth.
U tube a bit of historic car racing & have a look for yourselves.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The car guys make the bike guys look like amateurs. We see a bit of F5000 racing here, but the priceless artefacts that get raced overseas is absolutely astonishing. They work on the theory that it will always be worth repairing, because it will never cost as much to fix as it is worth.
U tube a bit of historic car racing & have a look for yourselves.

a guy I know who raced an historic open wheeler (a small one - formula junior) had a mate with a f5000, and his theory was every time you walk past it in the garage put ten grand on the seat because you will spend that every time it turns a wheel.....

They are fabulous machines though.

[jellywrestler]

How can you fuck it? All parts are still availiable, ive probably tripped over 80% of tbe parts in the last week.

And ken would probably make you another one if you are rich enough.

not GS1000R cases, but most of the other stuff is, The plastic fantastic is fitted with factory very very limited edition forks, don't think there's anything special about the forks on this bike though

[jellywrestler]

No, he can't. He can make you a mighty fine replica I'm sure, but if it hasn't got the heritage, then (compared to what that same money could buy you) all you have is an ugly, slow, out of date piece of crap.

clearly you haven't seen cam donald on the mcintosh in recent times in nz, doesn't seem out of date to me

[jellywrestler]

On the contrary... if the major parts (frame, block) of this bike differ from those that won the TT,

this bike never won an IOMTT so no idea where that notion came from...

[ozman]

Cam managed to break the eastern creek lap record 3 times recently on a ugly, slow, out of date piece of crap
ummm go figure that one out ... must all be rider ability



ozman

[ozman]

this bike never won an IOTT so no idea where that notion came from...

thats correct dave came 14th in the TT F1 on his first outing to the IOM not to bad i reckon

[roogazza]

thats correct dave came 14th in the TT F1 on his first outing to the IOM not to bad i reckon

I remember dave saying 'come over with me' around that time.But I didn't,I just become a dad for the 27th time.(well it felt like it!)
Funny but I recall the Alloy and plastic more as his bikes ?
Hey, its 35 yrs ! Good luck.