Losing your licence?

[Akzle]

$200 an hour? amateurs!

legal aid ticket dude.

[Akzle]

I don't know how some people manage to keep getting ticketed. Maybe it's just luck.

you're pasty white. Iffen you were black, thats a 4 year sentence.

(yes, the nz jewdiciary is that racist)

[rastuscat]

Seems fair enough to me, whenever they manage to catch up with you if the demerits are still current you get the suspension, if they don't find you in time and they expire you get away with it.

Nope. Once a suspension is triggered it remains alive until it is served. Time doesn't make a difference.

Still, thanks for posting that. It'll make for some interesting roadside discussions when people quote your post as law.

[SMOKEU]

you're pasty white. Iffen you were black, thats a 4 year sentence.

(yes, the nz jewdiciary is that racist)

Lucky I'm white then!

You'd also be surprised at how much shit Asians get away with, a mate of mine would pretend he can't speak English and show cops his Thai license, then next time he'd show them his California license, then next time the international license etc. Worked every time.

[R650R]

youre looking at it from the wrong side.
A half dozen lawyers at 200/hr, a judge on half a mil, miscellaneous jewry betwixt,
the game of court is highly profitable!

I don't disagree with that, but what I meant is that without these cases tying up the courts time, it could be used more effectively.
Like getting through the other cases faster, a benefit to society as a whole etc.... nah screw it your right, they'd still find a new way to piss about and milk the system/govts money....

[R650R]

Nope. Once a suspension is triggered it remains alive until it is served. Time doesn't make a difference.

Still, thanks for posting that. It'll make for some interesting roadside discussions when people quote your post as law.

LOL, meant to say that also, he needs to read this thread... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...nse-suspension

[Gremlin]

BTW the whole affair had zero impact on adjusting his road behaviour afterwards.

Really the system is a complete joke that you can get a 'work licence'. If they did away with them I'd say a remarkable portion of drivers would up their standards quickly.
All these pleas for work licences must waste a considerable amount of court time also.

Opposite for me... realised how much I needed it, and I'm still on 0 demerits since 08 (reaches to touch wood coz shit, I don't want to jinx that!)

Nope. Once a suspension is triggered it remains alive until it is served. Time doesn't make a difference.

Still, thanks for posting that. It'll make for some interesting roadside discussions when people quote your post as law.

I was curious about that. That was my understanding, but in the article it made mention about no demerits for two years (or four) and unless you're constantly racking up more, it disappears...

Article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/n...ectid=11284883

The process

*NZTA sends a letter to driver warning them they have reached 50 demerit points.
*Suspension notice served once the driver has reached 100 demerit points.
*Suspension cannot be served once the most active demerit points are more than two years old. If the driver continues to offend before being served with a suspension notice and the total number of active demerit points does not drop below 100 then the driver will remain wanted for a suspension.

[Akzle]

I don't disagree with that, but what I meant is that without these cases tying up the courts time, it could be used more effectively.
Like getting through the other cases faster, a benefit to society as a whole etc.... nah screw it your right, they'd still find a new way to piss about and milk the system/govts money....

benefit society?? The government??


Clearly you dont get how it works...

[AllanB]

T I don't know how some people manage to keep getting ticketed. Maybe it's just luck.

They actually finish their project bikes then ride them ....

[neels]

Nope. Once a suspension is triggered it remains alive until it is served. Time doesn't make a difference.

Still, thanks for posting that. It'll make for some interesting roadside discussions when people quote your post as law.

I was curious about that. That was my understanding, but in the article it made mention about no demerits for two years (or four) and unless you're constantly racking up more, it disappears...

What he said, I obviously made the mistake of believing what was written by the media on the interwebs. If anyone quotes me feel free to tell them I'm an idiot, and they shouldn't believe anything I post.

[Madness]

What he said, I obviously made the mistake of believing what was written by the media on the interwebs. If anyone quotes me feel free to tell them I'm an idiot, and they shouldn't believe anything I post.

I'm pretty sure I could do a poo that could perform a better job of writing that article. Piss poor journalism and they even quoted that fuckwit Clive Wilson-Lemon as if the article wasn't shit enough to start with.

[R650R]

That Herald article is a bit wishy washy. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't being aware of the demerit scheme part of passing licence exam etc...
Back in sixth form I did legal studies to fill a gap, our teacher was a former clerk of the court and stenographer also I think.
The first thing she taught us was ignorance of the law is never a valid excuse to defeat any charge.

"An Auckland mother-of-two had her driver's licence taken off her for exceeding demerit points 21 months earlier.

The solo mum was out when two police officers arrived on her doorstep at 8pm last October. Worried, she visited her local police station the next morning, where the officer asked for her licence before confiscating it immediately.

The sales representative said she had no idea she had even exceeded 100 demerit points nearly two years earlier and would have appreciated some warning to make arrangements. As Rastus likes to say tickets 1,2 and 3 etc are the warning your going to lose your licence...

She called a friend in a panic who collected her because she could not drive home. She then called a lawyer to help her obtain a work licence as soon as she could.

"It's my fault getting the demerit points, I'm not opposed to that but it's just the way they did it - just like that. You don't get time to even think about it, no prior warning, no nothing."
Sounds just like the last few seconds before impact after doing something wrong on road...

From anecdotal evidence down here it seems most people wanted for license suspension are usually attracting cop attention for other things also. I think it would be exceptionally rare to have had enough serious tickets or a heap of small ones of enough to lose your licence in the timeframe required and not be aware of it. Bit like the people who would fill their car up at our gas station and then discover there was no money left on their eftpos card. "Awww jesus I didn't know I had no money left... Yeah right.

[rastuscat]

It's a cruel system at times.

If it wasn't it'd be wroughted.

I started in 1989 and back then it was very different. If you got 100 points in 12 months you lost your licence for 6 months. Get them in 24 months and it was 3 months of walking.

We used to get the letters to serve before Baycorp got the contract. People tried to avoid service but there was no point. The sooner the 3 months started the sooner it finished.

Speeding tickets were all 35 points back then, 3 of those got you a compulsory walk.

Used to be the points only counted from date of admission of guilt BT paying the fine or conviction in court. People who had 70 points could string a 3rd ticket out long enough to mean their old points evaporated before the new ones were lodged.

It's better now that points are incurred when the fine is paid or you're declared guilty by a court, but their effective date is the offence date. That way there's no benefit in stringing the last one out, it won't help.

It's very complex the way points😇😆 their way on and off licences. It's an NZTA system so Popo's shouldn't be telling people when their points drop off when it's not the Popo who administer them. Call the 0800 number to get details of when your points drop off. Most Popo's aren't experts in demerits.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's a cruel system at times.

If it wasn't it'd be wroughted.

I started in 1989 and back then it was very different. If you got 100 points in 12 months you lost your licence for 6 months. Get them in 24 months and it was 3 months of walking.

We used to get the letters to serve before Baycorp got the contract. People tried to avoid service but there was no point. The sooner the 3 months started the sooner it finished.

Speeding tickets were all 35 points back then, 3 of those got you a compulsory walk.

Used to be the points only counted from date of admission of guilt BT paying the fine or conviction in court. People who had 70 points could string a 3rd ticket out long enough to mean their old points evaporated before the new ones were lodged.

It's better now that points are incurred when the fine is paid or you're declared guilty by a court, but their effective date is the offence date. That way there's no benefit in stringing the last one out, it won't help.

It's very complex the way points their way on and off licences. It's an NZTA system so Popo's shouldn't be telling people when their points drop off when it's not the Popo who administer them. Call the 0800 number to get details of when your points drop off. Most Popo's aren't experts in demerits.

Excellent potted history. SWIM* lost their licence for speeding doing the 3 months because of demerit points a long time ago because of that - I thought it was still the same.

Of course you do realise that the demerit point system is fundamentally flawed? When I amass a lot of Flybuys, I can redeem them for, you know, vouchers and shit. So the purpose of road policing is to collect revenue, right? So what the demerits do is stop your frequent flyers, your gold card holders if you like, from participating in the system and earning more rewards. I mean, what are they thinking?

*OK it was me.

[Gremlin]

Of course you do realise that the demerit point system is fundamentally flawed? When I amass a lot of Flybuys, I can redeem them for, you know, vouchers and shit. So the purpose of road policing is to collect revenue, right? So what the demerits do is stop your frequent flyers, your gold card holders if you like, from participating in the system and earning more rewards. I mean, what are they thinking?

The prize for collecting these points is crap... so crap I've decided I won't bother collecting them again...