BAAH funny thread.
Im not doing the course because I don't ride on cycle lanes.
Forum whore
BAAH funny thread.
Im not doing the course because I don't ride on cycle lanes.
I have evolved as a KB member.Now nothing I say should be taken seriously.
Kruger-Dunning Parts n Service
Yes agreed, see my more long winded post, the incentive is only $100 less than carrying on in ones own bubble. Actually the most annoying thing about my last law enforcement interaction was that one of your colleagues took about 20mins to ticket me from whoa to go. 20mins doesn't sound like much but that cost me over an hour as I caught the early shift womble traffic around tokoroa etc... Oh and getting one of those new supermarket checkout style tickets really pissed me, no where near as official looking for pinning on the beer fridge in the shed (not everyone screws them up in a rage, plenty like to pin them up on the garage wall for a later embellished story with lads).Originally Posted by rastuscat
So yeah that 20mins sucked more than the $80 and 15 demerit points on a clean license.
Don't think wellywood would be sold on the idea of a penalty of say forbidding a speeder/rule breaker from driving for say 30mins instead fines revenue though...
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Point is that it's another opportunity to look inward and realise that he's not as shit hot as he thinks.
Meh, maybe you're right, I'll go back to not giving a shit, paper the world with ticketey wicketies and not give a shit if it changes nothing.
Harumph.
Forum whore
Hmmm, I did think about a trackday, my observation (from limited experience) is those I know who try to improve on a trackday continue by using the road like a race track, fair enough for them, I dont want to and I would imagine neither does Ratuscat or his colleagues1. Been there done that in uncontrolled conditions and trackdays. I've avoided two t bone crashes at 50k junctions with some pretty choice front end braking that saw the front end starting to wash out and the back of the bike sideways and off the deck. If you've got well maintained tyres and brakes they are plenty capable. Pure panic breaking really but a well ingrained two finger technique meant power but finesse enough to ease of once at lock/tuck point.
2. I've gone past the limits of low speed balance point
3,4 and 5 sound very Amway/infomercialish... I've always maintained driving a road for the first time is the safest trip you'll ever make across it. Your natural survival instincts somehow outweigh nearly all bad habits briefly
Sounds like its worked for you, my point is forcing stuff on people doesn't work for majority...
Had sphincter testing braking event not two weeks ago on my daily commute, I wish I had the insights then I do now. I would still have had to deal with the situation but it would have been less stressful, so yeah, real life is ALWAYS better than simulation!
I hear you about points 3-5. Not my intention. Maybe a better way to express it would be, here are three things I thought I was handling pretty well. After trying out these suggestions I have had a rethink and these approaches work way better for me.
Yup, it definitely worked for me! I guess the advantage of this over your story is I didnt need to do gazillions or kms to do that, I have benefited from the experiences of others. I kinda like that.
I also understand your point about compulsion. In fact, I agree in so far that the learning you do because someone directs you to do it will always be limited in comparison to what you elect to do yourself.
So the challenge then perhaps should be how to convince people (other than by compulsion) there is merit in seeking training. ACC is trying to do that in fairness but like any marketing campaign its not going to work for everyone.
Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but how many times you have your breath taken away
Bogeyman
To be honest his would be the last sort of behaviour I'd have targeted for a riding skills course. Straightforward standard ping in response to a simple broken rule seems to be more the go.
Now if you found someone displaying obvious signs of skill deficit then that form of training might well prove a game changer.
Edit: surely you see as many wobbly newbies making poor decisions down there as you do around here? Make their day.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Suffers from peterpan syndrome
what a pack of pricks!
...guys riding in a cycle lane (illegal and bloody dangerous)
normal process, FINE! (the end)
Rastus goes an offers the guy an "alternative" (this is not "compulsory"...to clarify for some)
Either...
Pay the fine! (the end)
or
Go to a cheap riding session, save some money and maybe learn about the dumb shit your presently doing, that may just cost you your life one day....like riding in a fucking cycle lane!
but NOOOO....lets take a run up and kick rastuscat in the nuts for DARING to offer an alternative.
I mean seriously
screw it Rastus....just start throwing sticks in there front wheel, might speed up the whole Darwin process an all that
When Life thows me a curve
...I lean into it!
Born to be mild
I did a course a couple of years back and I'd happily do another one.
Rastuscat ... don't read this bit
As one who in very particular circumstances will dribble up the cycle lane to get a head start on a slow vehicle at a give way I might get the chance to do another course huh?. Better keep an eye on the letter box I guess. (My rules for bike lane dribbling ... traffic has to be stopped, got to be a slow vehicle (like a truck) as the target, no cyclists in the bike lane ... and I only move at about 10kph). Still not 100% safe but happy enough to do it as long as I stay aware of what's going on around me.
Grow older but never grow up
Hardcore Biker
Dear Sir , I am writing to enquire if you would like a $150 fine and 15 demerit points, or would you prefer to pay $20 and muck around on your bike for
a few hours brushing up your roadcraft with a skilled trainer?
No brainer really isn't it.
Political Correctness, the chief weapon of whiney arse bastards
They call me Mr Fahrenheit
WTF?
a. Ignore option to take course
b. Ignore fine
c. Accumulate more fines
d. Ignore those fines
e. Play more Grand Theft Auto
f. Get fines swapped for commy service by courts
g. Ignore commy service
h. Play more grand theft auto
i. repeat from c
Isn't it done like that any more?
Keep on chooglin'
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Except not riding in cycle lanes it seems.
You didn't really expect everyone on KB to give you three cheers did you?
Thought I had read all this before.
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Posted this coz I'm basically gob smacked at how few people took up the offer.
We first did it a couple of years back, but it died a death when
- Bugger all riders got tickets, so bugger all were given the option
- Then those that had the option failed to take the option up.
I'm now just using it on an ad hoc basis, and I'm looking for any more innovative ways to improve safety.
Suggestions?
KB's Chief Cats
dont. Its not your job. Your job is policy enforcement.
Target cagers and cyclists. See how many licenses and bicycles you can collect in a day. Start a competition with your homies.
The courts will love you for drumming up more business.
Just hang ueys in front of bikers doing dumb shit. You wont get charged.
Forum whore
In the end education mainly comes through the wallet and through demerits. If offered I would go on a course reluctantly and probably with blinkers on just to avoid the cost of the ticket. While in an ideal world your suggestion does have merit in the real world I am not sure.
If you want to improve road safety then you have to look at the real safety issues. Yes, riding in a cycle lane comes at a risk to the rider, perhaps they understand that just like some do when filtering down the middle of a lane. You'd be better off dealing to people after they have actually been in a crash and have hard evidence that what they were doing, even if the 'innocent' party, wasn't enough.
May I suggest concentrating on crash causing offences that hurt others rather than just hurt the at fault party? If you crash and hurt yourself it is your own fault generally. If you crash and hurt someone else that is another matter. Failing to stop at a stop sign just because it is a stop sign does not cause crashes. Failing to give way at a stop sign or a give way sign does. Nick them. Not wearing your seatbelt is not going to hurt anyone but yourself, don't waste time on it. Darwin will sort those ones out for you.
Here's one to throw out there. If you are involved in three crashes on a motorbike in X number of years then you get your bike licence revoked for being shit before you kill yourself. That one fits well with the Safer Journeys philosophy.
Suffers from peterpan syndrome
introduce ACTUAL compulsory driver training?...get judges to hand out ACTUAL sentences to repeat drunk drivers etc?...and stop focusing so whole heartedly on the average kiwi driver and shift focus to the extreme end of offenders (and ensure that they are removed from the roads permanently!)...oh, and stop them building straight roads!!, an engaged driver is a safe driver)
There!...that should improve things to the point that picking the days donut range will be your biggest issue...that and ignoring wheelies!
yeah...nice thought though aye
honestly...dunno sorry(I just fix IT stuff & Ride...but Im always keen to stay riding for longer!, so keep up the great work on our behalf
When Life thows me a curve
...I lean into it!
Bogeyman
Yeah, stick it to the seriously dangerous behaviour, I know you can't be everywhere but there's plenty of it. The cameras on traffic lights I heartily approve of, and would have snapped three very very late incidences I saw in the space of 10 minutes yesterday.
Leave the nit-picking 56kph on Oxford tce shit out of it, nobody appreciates it and it's doing nothing positive for anyone.
Oh, and this:
Fix that, 'cause it's behaviour that benefits nobody, and it's not a good look for any institution supposedly enforcing rules.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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