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    That's actually a very good article for the lay person. Cmon phil up your game. Not that I can see him posting something from BP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breakaway View Post
    Carburetors are shithouse 1950s tech that needs to die.

    Virtually no cars come with Carbs now (haven't since the 90s really), yet there are new model year bikes coming out that have this antiquated tech. What's the reason?
    Nothing wrong with carbs. You can get excellent power from a decent carb.
    But as mentioned, emissions is the biggest draw back.
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    Fuck

    My bread is stale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    Fuck

    My bread is stale.



    ...just freshen it up with a damp sponge ...or toast it...dont worry about the aromatics, unless you like burned toast...

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    That BP article touched on the basics. Fuel either goes stale, or loses it's light ends - this is two different processes.

    Fuel left in a tank and exposed to air will oxidise, this will cause the molecules to join together and form gums and varnishes. But this is a process which happens slowly. Using something like an additised petrol (and the premium fuels are more likely to contain an additive) should clean carburettors, injectors and the back of inlet valves of deposits and give easier starting and smoother running.

    Loss of the petrol's light ends is another matter, this can happen quickly. Petrol contains a range of hydrocarbon molecules from butane (C4H10) through and beyond molecules around C10, and including aromatics (fairly volatile). The more volatile molecules contribute to the petrol's starting characteristics, they evaporate easily and ignite. Winter petrol will have higher volatility (measured as Reid Vapour Pressure) than summer petrol, so something bought in winter and put into the tank in summer may give noticeable differences in starting. These more volatile compounds, the light ends, evaporate naturally, so the petrol loses it's ability to evaporate on starting. A petrol which is missing it's light ends is called "topped". Once started and the engine warmed up there is less problem with a topped petrol, the heavier ends evaporate anyway and the engine appears more powerful.

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    Apparently petrol stations are fitted with means to reduce this happening in tank by means of providing pressure with a tall curved vent, but I've yet to espy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Apparently petrol stations are fitted with means to reduce this happening in tank by means of providing pressure with a tall curved vent, but I've yet to espy one.
    Think their prob all straight these days with relief valve installed. In the right lighting conditions you can still see the vapours pouring out the top.
    Back in my younger days when I was a Petroleum Dispensary Technician aka attendant I think the tanks typically lost 2% by volume due to evaporation, can't remember if it was daily or weekly...
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    Depends

    Depends really how important performance is to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Apparently petrol stations are fitted with means to reduce this happening in tank by means of providing pressure with a tall curved vent, but I've yet to espy one.
    You're kinda overthinking the subject. A tall vent stack combined with the fact that concentrated fuel vapour is still heavier than air means that the only time you get significant amounts of vapour coming out is during a delivery via road tanker. Temperature fluctuations play a very minor part, and let's face it, most servos get at least one delivery a week...so stale fuel at a servo is more or less a non event.

    And no I'm not especially qualified, having spent only 15 or so years as a Petroleum Products Transportation Technician, so I'll admit to being almost entirely clueless on the subject

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    And yet I'm still picking Phil as my go to engineer on the subject
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