AA's Mike Noon does not represent me! neither as a motorist or a motorcyclist!

[Kickaha]

Thats's obviously including a few fuel/ciggie stop and the associated flaffing about..

No flaffing about at all, 160km fuel range so too many fuel stops, gas stops kill the average and there was probably at least an hour+ worth of stops in that trip, 19.5 hours overall

Used to average 106-110kmh Chch to Picton on a bike that'd do it in one hit but from memory you had to run about 140kmh (pre demerit era)

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras

[Gremlin]

I don't like the point to point cameras more than anyone else, but to justify the cost, I'm thinking you're going to find them on State Highways, motorways etc. How many stretches does NZ have where you can't get on and off the road? What have they already found out? SH1 gets busy so they tell motorists to use SH16. Crashes on SH16 rise... not sure they've managed to figure out how that occurred though

Mobile or gantry? If gantry, knowing which regions they operate in will make it easy, mobile, more tricky.

In terms of average speed they better set the limit at 100kph. Yes, averaging anywhere near that is hard work, but it can actually be done. SH1 running for 30-40km, doing a real 110kph max, yes, I can average 100-102kph. Longer distance, over 1620km I averaged 91.7 kph, including stops. No, it wasn't exactly legal as my moving average was 99kph but I probably hit a max speed of 150kph and nothing sustained over about 130kph (and that was at night).

Pretty much legal and including gravel and high country passes (Hakataramea Pass etc), I averaged 72.5kph over 25.5 hours...

So, in essence, yeah, long distances can be done legally at speeds probably higher than they anticipate.

[Paul in NZ]

I've led an interesting life - I've met and dealt with all sorts. I could never get a deal over the line with that lot - figured out the only reason they were talking to me was to steal my ideas and get someone else to build a cheap version of what I was proposing. Cancelled my membership a long time ago - about the time they waded into the ACC debate, they HATE motorcycles...

[BMWST?]

Can one stop it to Aukland from Wellington on the RF. Not if I wanna have any fun though.

There will be others too drew but not the norm is it? I did say MOST

[SPman]

I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.

I used to ALWAYS rely on a 100 kph average on trips. Didn't have to go much more than 140 odd and 800ks in 8 hrs was quite comfortable. I did do a 150 av Wanganui to Inglewood once, but, that was riding with Scott (Sensei).....and outside city limits was rather......hard work.
Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

[haydes55]

Who's keen on copying the British system of dealing with speed cameras? Chuck a tire over it and light it on fire.

[avgas]

I won't go into detail, but a gixxer thou with no plate can go 300k's in 2h30m. Fuel light on before the one quick gas stop, and again at the destination. Best the rider has ever managed, and very hard work.

I can't think of a normal trip that gets anywhere near 100kph average.

In my yoof I had a few - but most were 50km or less.
Smaller bikes were easier than bigger bikes because you didn't have to slow as badly for corners, but you had to keep the throttle tapped. But keep in mind this was way before the current generation of superbikes. K1 and ZXR10 made the past generation of bikes seem massively heavy and clumsy.

Then I realized death was permanent. So I got old and rode much, much slower.......

[R650R]

most cars and trucks can go hundreds of kilometres on a tank,most bikes will do about 200 prolly 300 max.1 fuel stop and your average is toast

Just love it when someone from the internet quotes what you've just said and says it again like you didn't say it... oh the joys of English...

Who's keen on copying the British system of dealing with speed cameras? Chuck a tire over it and light it on fire.

Well no need to wait for orders from headquarters, you go first and well see if the idea takes off LOL Saw a bit of that in UK but don't think we'll ever have it in NZ as they are all mostly in populated areas, there's always someone watching these days just itching to earn brownie points with their cellphone, you'd prob be locked up after the first attempt.
There are other way to easily disable/destroy digital camera sensors but I'm not going to post that on a public forum when people can google that for themselves.

Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

Yes we are a growing nation, expect more roadworks that go on for long time and no aternative route available. As an example when they realigned mercer double lanes and put the barriers in etc, that 80k speed limit was there for ages. There's a lot of 'reformed bikers' on here but who did exactly 80k through there day after day...

Whats more of a worry than a potential ticket is the data mining by these systems will show if your in the higher percentile speed group. Eg you may be clever and not get a ticket but I suspect with so many drivers unable to maintain a constant speed that being a 'quick but legal' rider/driver will show up on system and prob get more police attention when stopped.

[slofox]

It's actually harder than most people think to average 100kmh

But not impossible...

[Berries]

Used to average 106-110kmh Chch to Picton on a bike that'd do it in one hit but from memory you had to run about 140kmh (pre demerit era)

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras

Yes, but they aren't going to stick a camera in Christchurch and one in Picton to catch the one or two people who might average 106km/h over that distance, they'll leave that to a patrol to get them at 140km/h somewhere in-between. Far more likely that the cameras will be two or three km apart on a nice straight bit of road with no intersections where the risk of a crash is relatively low but the risk of exceeding the speed limit is high. Alternatively they could put them at each end of some great roads with flowing corners - the Cromwell Gorge would be a good example where a camera at Clyde and one at the bridge would stop anyone beating their previous personal best. No doubt it would reduce overtaking as well and, I hate to say it, is probably a good enforcement tool because it is all automated and TPTB could consider that road now 'sorted' as far as speeding is concerned. Obviously they will need to sign these bits of road otherwise it is not a deterrent, a ticket out of the blue two weeks after the event is revenue gathering. The response to that will probably be that they aren't going to be signed because they want people to think that any road could be covered and thus reduce their speed everywhere.

Luckily I can't see these cameras working on the tighter roads where fun is had below 100km/h.

Considering that all you people with smart phones and bluetooth switched on are now having your MAC addresses harvested as you ride along Big brother is out there I would be much more concerned about a quick signature on a piece of legislation which allows this to be used for enforcement. You know, a reading of 130km/h sends your GPS location to the nearest police patrol.

I wrap mine in tin foil just in case.

[willytheekid]

...what ever!

...hope there new toys ain't to expensive!...would be such a bloody shame if they kept going missing in the middle of the night, or if they suddenly started to suffer from odd electrical & Software faults over & over again

The popo wanna play wiv tech to increase revenue and let it do the work for them?........BRING IT!! ....but best they remember, there are MUCH bigger & smarter fish in the world of tech...and they just fucking LOVE new technology that's built on a budget, and thrown into the real world to screw people over!, that makes the tech fair game for ethical hacking!.....so let the police start a little tech war!...I sure as shit know who MY moneys on

http://hackaday.com/2014/04/04/sql-i...s-your-record/

http://hackaday.com/2012/10/23/traff...ountermeasure/

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/...plate-blocker/

http://lifehacker.com/5901686/never-...-this-gps-hack


as I said...BRING IT ON!...hackers paradise soon, no REAL cops on the roads, and just some kiddy scripts to run to unlock unlimited fun!
...don't see the limitations folks...just focus on the HUGE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS holes in there plan...and expand them & Share the Knowledge so others can break there BS revenue collection systems

ps...cool tech! (To cheer everyone up )
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/1041...es-new-heights

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.” ...Gandhi...had to be a biker!

[FJRider]

1 fuel stop and your average is toast

Chuck in a few 45 km/hr (or less) corners ... and the toast arrives before the fuel stop.

[FJRider]

I doubt too many people have anything to worry about with with these cameras

If it is solely based on a simple point to point distance/time (eg: 100 km/less than one hour) those that do get caught ... probably deserve it. (I wonder if they will include the tolerance )



The worrying part is if they base it on the "Travel Time" listed ... between various towns/cities on most road maps and various travel publications.

Most motorcyclists ... on even the smaller machines should still easily better those quoted times.

[FJRider]

In terms of average speed they better set the limit at 100kph. Yes, averaging anywhere near that is hard work, but it can actually be done. SH1 running for 30-40km, doing a real 110kph max, yes, I can average 100-102kph. Longer distance, over 1620km I averaged 91.7 kph, including stops. No, it wasn't exactly legal as my moving average was 99kph but I probably hit a max speed of 150kph and nothing sustained over about 130kph (and that was at night).

Those stops for fuel/pee might be the difference between a fine/loss of license ... or neither.

So, in essence, yeah, long distances can be done legally at speeds probably higher than they anticipate.

The real critical factor will be the distance between the cameras ...

[bluninja]

I used to ALWAYS rely on a 100 kph average on trips. Didn't have to go much more than 140 odd and 800ks in 8 hrs was quite comfortable. I did do a 150 av Wanganui to Inglewood once, but, that was riding with Scott (Sensei).....and outside city limits was rather......hard work.
Don't know what it would be like over there now though, with the pedantic implementation of arbitrary speed limits.......

Inglewood to Wanganui is easy for a 90 minute run....just be conservative on the straights and passing lanes and have fun on the twisty bits.