Moron in a 4WD on Rimutakas - yes, it's true!

[Lou Girardin]

The majority? and of course you can provide solid evidence to back that statement up and not just a "number of posts"

how many 4wd do you see each day that dont give you any grief at all? ah thats right we don't remember those ones do we, just the bastards that piss us off

You want poor driving/riding just go back throught the forums and have a look at the number of single bike bins

The most ignorant bunch of road users I see are motorcyclists, I see far less of them on the road but a far higher percentage of those I do see are doing dumb shit

Try driving in Auckland. If you survive the first couple of hours you WILL see that the majority of 4WD steerers are cellphone yacking, genital adjusting, brain cell deficient, products of their Father using a blanket as a condom.

[bumsex]

Try driving in Auckland. If you survive the first couple of hours you WILL see that the majority of 4WD steerers are cellphone yacking, genital adjusting, brain cell deficient, products of their Father using a blanket as a condom.

Fuck yeah.

[Beemer]

The majority? and of course you can provide solid evidence to back that statement up and not just a "number of posts"

how many 4wd do you see each day that dont give you any grief at all? ah thats right we don't remember those ones do we, just the bastards that piss us off

You want poor driving/riding just go back throught the forums and have a look at the number of single bike bins

The most ignorant bunch of road users I see are motorcyclists, I see far less of them on the road but a far higher percentage of those I do see are doing dumb shit

The majority of 4WD owners I see do drive poorly in MY opinion. I live in the country so I see a lot of them on the roads whenever I go out. Sure, I do see some 4WDs being driven responsibly - but of course they are in the minority.

As for motorcyclists being worse than 4WD owners, man, you've lost the plot! I have rarely had my life endangered by a motorcyclist but every time I go out I am put at risk by a 4WD owner and that is not bullshit. The ones you ride with may be ignorant riders who do dumb shit, but the ones I ride with don't fall into that category.

And for the record, less means less in quantity, fewer means smaller in number.

[Kickaha]

As for motorcyclists being worse than 4WD owners, man, you've lost the plot! I have rarely had my life endangered by a motorcyclist but every time I go out I am put at risk by a 4WD owner and that is not bullshit. The ones you ride with may be ignorant riders who do dumb shit, but the ones I ride with don't fall into that category.
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I stand by what I said regarding motorcyclists being the most ignorant group of road users and you only have to read a few posts on these forums to see the attitude common among some members that"I ride a motorcycle so I'm better than everyone else and can do what I want and no one else can drive for crap"

You think all the crash stories on here didn't put anyones lives at risk?


So every single time you go riding a driver in a 4WD puts you at risk? I hope you're taking there rego's and reporting them

And I don't ride with ignorant riders who do dumb shit(well not twice anyway)

[Motu]

Try driving in Auckland. If you survive the first couple of hours you WILL see that the majority of 4WD steerers are cellphone yacking, genital adjusting, brain cell deficient, products of their Father using a blanket as a condom.

But far outnumbered by dithering myopic instant lane changing look ahead reversing where the fuck am I Asian drivers - give me a 4x4 driver any day!! - a Chinese in a 4x4???,be afraid,very afraid!

[Indoo]

Try driving in Auckland. If you survive the first couple of hours you WILL see that the majority of 4WD steerers are cellphone yacking, genital adjusting, brain cell deficient, products of their Father using a blanket as a condom.

Can't agree more. In Auckland I feel sorry for the minority of 4wd's like Motu who actually use them for purpose they were made.

[Kickaha]

Try driving in Auckland. If you survive the first couple of hours you WILL see that the majority of 4WD steerers are cellphone yacking, genital adjusting, brain cell deficient, products of their Father using a blanket as a condom.

I've ridden in Auckland a few times and it sucks, if you don't want to put up with it move South, we dont have those problems here.

[Pixie]

Can't agree more. In Auckland I feel sorry for the minority of 4wd's like Motu who actually use them for purpose they were made.

Some of the funniest things I have seen have been 4WD drivers trying to use them for the purpose they were intended.
For example two separate incidences of 4WDs on their roofs after the wankers tried to drive them on the smooth,flat dirt verges of Old North rd in the riverhead forest

[Gremlin]

For example two separate incidences of 4WDs on their roofs after the wankers tried to drive them on the smooth,flat dirt verges of Old North rd in the riverhead forest

hehe, probably using highway tyres, and in 2WD.

"Ooh, look I'll just steer a bit over there and drive on some of that dirt stuff, my 4x4 can still do 100....."

ooh shit...

The SCU programme had that asian driver on some beach doing reportedly 100 or a bit more, swerved to avoid water and most likely dug his tyres in and flipped ?7? times...

I agree with the driver not the vehicle argument, but the 4x4's do have greater blindspots, which only highlights the drivers lack of skills even more. That, and the average person seems to become very territorial once inside their vehicle.

The sooner the average person takes the task of driving more seriously, the safer we will all be.

[Lou Girardin]

You think all the crash stories on here didn't put anyones lives at risk?

Bike v cars with fatalities in the car are as rare as rocking horse shit.

[Motu]

Bike v cars with fatalities in the car are as rare as rocking horse shit.

Last one was a Triumph hitting a car in Northland,but the bitch deserved to die for pulling out on a bike,she should of known it was speeding.

[dangerous]

Or just put a blanket tax on those who choose to drive a 4WD

Get fucked

And if it was a Holden ute towing the trailer all Holden ute owners would be tared with your brush?

Thank you

Don't care what make the 4WD is, the majority of them are driven by people who lack basic road skills and only drive them because they are 'safe'.

Get fucked again and learn a thing or too will ya, 4x4's are the most "UN" safe cars on the rd

when 90% of 4WD drivers act like fucking retards then yes I will be tarring them all with the same brush!

You can get fucked too

See my comment above - "the majority" of these people drive poorly - not ALL of them.

Yet again..... you know what I'm thinking here, now the "majority" is a compleat bullshit comment....... Its my belief that the majority of licenced drivers/riders on NZ rd's are poor drivers..... I have driven over seas and the rd's work like clock work, but not here and FWIW 'yes' I drive a 4X4 I have a clean licence, licences 1,2,3,4,5,6,D,F and Aussie licences all the way up to B Triple..... Ohh but then that dosent matter cos I also drive a 4X4.... dumbass... its the person behind the wheel not the car/truck/bike

The most ignorant bunch of road users I see are motorcyclists, I see far less of them on the road but a far higher percentage of those I do see are doing dumb shit

Well maybe not the 'most' but yes they are up there as bad as cagers...... someone mentioned a page or two back that 4X4's cross the center line all the time....... well check out the attachment, yes that is a KBer.... and by me WELL over the center line.

[dangerous]

The majority of 4WD owners I see do drive poorly in MY opinion.

Gezzz look around ya will ya........ the percentage of cars on the rd are 4x4's so its not hard to work out that more 4x4's means more idiot drivers in 4x4's

As for motorcyclists being worse than 4WD owners, man, you've lost the plot! I have rarely had my life endangered by a motorcyclist but every time I go out I am put at risk by a 4WD owner and that is not bullshit. The ones you ride with may be ignorant riders who do dumb shit, but the ones I ride with don't fall into that category.

Hey.... he lost the plot a long time ago... but has a very good point, I often do dumb shit when out riding with the locals.... but that dosent make me a bad bastard does it.... ohhh no in your book I am a bad bastard cos I drive a 4X4.

I think you and the riders you ride with should give up riding and wrap up in cotton wool....... seen as you "don't fall into that category"

if you don't want to put up with it move South, we dont have those problems here.

SHUT up man..... now they will move down here and Chch will just be another Dorkland.......... BTW we do have those problems down here cos we do actually have 4x4's here.

[Sniper]

Reading through this thread I can see both sides of the argument. I can say that there is one thing in common though. Both sides will not yeild from their arguments.

[Lou Girardin]

Well maybe not the 'most' but yes they are up there as bad as cagers...... someone mentioned a page or two back that 4X4's cross the center line all the time....... well check out the attachment, yes thatr is a KBer.... and by me WELL over the center line.

He's unlikely to kill someone other than himself. If that was a 4wd however...................

BTW 4wd's make up around 12 to 14% of vehicles. Their occupant death rate is around 17% to 20% of fatalities.