Moron in a 4WD on Rimutakas - yes, it's true!

[Beemer]

Don't care what make the 4WD is, the majority of them are driven by people who lack basic road skills and only drive them because they are 'safe'.

Thank you to all of you who have read my post and agreed with the fact that SOME 4WD owners are terrible drivers who put other motorists' lives at risk. See my comment above - "the majority" of these people drive poorly - not ALL of them. So thanks for the red rep, Boomer, I hope I get the chance to return the favour one day. And for the record, you made a cock-up in your comment accompanying the red bling - "Sorry you had your fair share of idjiots whilst out on the road today but you should label every driver of that vehicle the same." I wonder if you meant "shouldn't", because if you did mean "should", why not green rep? Whatever, you obviously didn't understand what I was trying to say anyway.

Considering the number of posts giving examples of poor driving by 4WD owners, I rest my bloody case!

[Lou Girardin]

You guys need to calm down a bunch, you only perceive 4wd owners as bad because you only remember the bad ones, you're as bad as the cagers out there who perceive all bikers as bad because of the few that spoil it for the rest.

We don't kill them!

[Lou Girardin]

I think you have a problem - were you bitten by a 4x4 as a child? They don't buy them because they are ''safe'',they have no conception of ''safe'',they buy them because they are big,which only amplifies their poor driving skills - they are just as bad in a Corona.

Once more - it's poor driving skills - NOT the vehicle.

So we allow them to drive vehicles with a higher kill rate. Brilliant.

[Sparky Mark]

You guys need to calm down a bunch, you only perceive 4wd owners as bad because you only remember the bad ones, you're as bad as the cagers out there who perceive all bikers as bad because of the few that spoil it for the rest.

I agree... how many times have I read moans and groans because we bikers are all put in the same pot? I've a bike and a 4x4 and whilst I acknowledge that 4x4's are more dangerous simply because they are bigger, the driving standard of some people, whether in 4x4s or driving Minis' is just as dire!

Just to balance things up, I was riding over one of the hills at the back of my place 2 weekends ago with my partner on the back, and was almost run off the road by an idiot on a ducati red something, hammering round on the wrong side of the road. I thought we'd bloody had it!

There are good and bad in all areas - including bikers!

[madboy]

I agree with Motu/Cowpoos et al - it is the driver not the vehicle. By their very design 4WDs are worse handling (I'm talking general road usage) and have bigger blind spots than cars. In order to drive them as competently as a normal car, you have to be more vigilant and I would say more skilled than your average driver. Sadly I believe many people who feel insecure about their driving, and are therefore useless drivers, will try and hide their insecurity by the biggest bit of metal they can afford. Which leads on the what Beemer is saying - I wouldn't quite say majority, but I'd certainly use "many".

My mumble mumble cager story from the takas this weekend was a woman driving a people mover thing. I came up behind the car behind her, slipped past that car within a corner or two and settled in right behind her, waiting for a spare few metres to pass. Meantime she shits herself with a bike coming out of no where and starts focusing on the rear view mirror, not the road. So she manages to continue driving past all the areas where she could have moved over had she been so worried by the closeness of a motorcycle. Coming out of a right hander, she runs wide and clips the edge of the road, might have been a culvert or something, that launches the back of the car into the air. Bear in mind, we're talking slow cage pace here, it's not like she'd upped the pace. I guess her ploy worked, cos I dropped WAY back and waited for a passing lane.

[Sniper]

Thank you to all of you who have read my post and agreed with the fact that SOME 4WD owners are terrible drivers who put other motorists' lives at risk. See my comment above - "the majority" of these people drive poorly - not ALL of them. So thanks for the red rep, Boomer, I hope I get the chance to return the favour one day. And for the record, you made a cock-up in your comment accompanying the red bling - "Sorry you had your fair share of idjiots whilst out on the road today but you should label every driver of that vehicle the same." I wonder if you meant "shouldn't", because if you did mean "should", why not green rep? Whatever, you obviously didn't understand what I was trying to say anyway.

Considering the number of posts giving examples of poor driving by 4WD owners, I rest my bloody case!

Don't worry, Boomer has a habit of handing out neg rep if you dont have anything nice to say on 4x4's

[Beemer]

Don't worry, Boomer has a habit of handing out neg rep if you dont have anything nice to say on 4x4's

Don't worry, he'll keep, and when he least expects it... BLING!!!

(And thank you to the nice people who negated that red bling - I won't forget you!)

[Monsterbishi]

And for those of you who are thinking about buying a 4wd as a tow vehicle, I can thoroughly reccomend the Mitsi RVR SuperSportsgear, it's the 2.0L petrol turbo model, it's what we use, it can out-corner, accelerate and brake most cars, from the factory it runs big dualpot brakes, sway bars, heavier suspension, 15 * 6.5" wheels. It's high enough to have visibility out back even with two bikes in tow, and can happily pull up to 1550kg of braked trailer without keeping the engine in boost too.

[madboy]

And for those of you who are thinking about buying a 4wd as a tow vehicle, I can thoroughly reccomend the Mitsi RVR SuperSportsgear, it's the 2.0L petrol turbo model, it's what we use, it can out-corner, accelerate and brake most cars, from the factory it runs big dualpot brakes, sway bars, heavier suspension, 15 * 6.5" wheels. It's high enough to have visibility out back even with two bikes in tow, and can happily pull up to 1550kg of braked trailer without keeping the engine in boost too.

Choice, bro... then u can do da black & decker springs, da drainpipe out da back, da blow-me valve, and you can get some choice as 19" chromies too... (pt)

Yeah, nah seriously, those things are pretty deceptive. The dumbed down Evo gear in a cut down people mover... Watch the rex boys cry.

[scumdog]

And for those of you who are thinking about buying a 4wd as a tow vehicle, I can thoroughly reccomend the Mitsi RVR SuperSportsgear, it's the 2.0L petrol turbo model, it's what we use, it can out-corner, accelerate and brake most cars, from the factory it runs big dualpot brakes, sway bars, heavier suspension, 15 * 6.5" wheels. It's high enough to have visibility out back even with two bikes in tow, and can happily pull up to 1550kg of braked trailer without keeping the engine in boost too.

They really haul for a 4X4/people-mover cross, saw one cut a 14.4 second 1/4 mile at Lawrence this year, a real bloody 'sleeper'!!!!
If I was of mind to buy a car newer than the '60's stuff I have now it would be a RVR.

[Pixie]

I followed a wanker in a landcruiser,through the riverhead forest the other day,when he saw me he decided to try to out run the bandit.He was doing 130kph + and was all over the road,including the shoulder. on the opposite side of the road.These were all blind corners.The shitbox was twitching all over the place and I was hoping he would lose it,but I got bored and passed him

[Lou Girardin]

Wow! I got neg rep from some tosser with 5 posts and (obviously) a 4WD.
I'm devastated. How will I cope?

[Pixie]

Slight difference...
We piss them off because we cut through traffic, pass them on 200 mtr straits and can be a little loudish at times.
They piss us of because of 5 little words;
"Sorry mate, didn’t see you."
4WD's just seam to be better at attracting attention than cars caus of their size and the assured death of whomever they hit.
And most (not all) cant use their indicators, mirrors or the mussels in their neck!

Mmmmmm........mussels

[Beemer]

Wow! I got neg rep from some tosser with 5 posts and (obviously) a 4WD.
I'm devastated. How will I cope?

Lucky I had already given you some green then, s'pose you'll live!

[Pixie]

If i decide to trade my 4x4 in and buy a mini and tow something with that instead will I be less threatening to you?

Surely it's the driver not the vehicle? I know when i'm on the bike i fear all cars the same, if i'm gonna get hit by one i'm gonna get hurt no matter what the size :-/ If you think otherwise you need a reality check.

The towing excuse is bullshit.
I suppose no one towed anything prior to jap import 4WDs

Boat and caravan towing should be limited to early morning hours too