Is this illegal? Can't find any info on this

[F!ddl3r]

So I wrote my Full this past week, CBTA Full.... went well, did some training before the test (this was a really good idea) learnt a few new things.

I did well, not to many points against me except for cutting the centre road line when turning into a road. (see image) I got called out for riding the RED line and not the yellow line.
Now I understand this makes sense in a safety point of view (slippery road markings) but is it Illegal to cross this line? I cant find anything online so I thought I'd ask here.

The main reason I am asking, is because driving around the last few days I've been taking particular notice of this and on many roads you wouldn't be able to NOT ride over the line. And then what about solid lines? you'd have to cross the line... Just wondering what the legal stance is on this.

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[haydes55]

It's not illegal, it's advised against in the road code. As I understand it

[Scuba_Steve]

It's not illegal, it's advised against in the road code. As I understand it

And in the wet it's slippery thanks to our shit paint

[jellywrestler]

you will also have a more manageable take off on the yellow line, rather than the red

[Gremlin]

I think the only reason behind this is that lines have less grip than normal road, especially in the wet.

[haydes55]

Also to stop people cutting corners, be a good law abiding citizen, stay between the lines, don't cut corners, don't cross a yellow line!

[Gremlin]

...don't cross a yellow line!

Stop lines are yellow...

[unstuck]

Red line should be the front wheel, and the yellow line should be the back wheel, and you should have your right leg out and a different colored helmet. Just to keep things sensible .

[awa355]

Also to stop people cutting corners, be a good law abiding citizen, stay between the lines, don't cut corners, don't cross a yellow line!

Wot 'E says, Govt knows best.

Now, here's one to mull over, I'm coming up to a stop sign and want to turn left. The double yellow lines stop about 1/2metre out from the curb. If I ride my bike through the gap between the curb and the end of the yellow lines, have I ridden through a stop sign according to the law?.

[oneofsix]

Wot 'E says, Govt knows best.

Now, here's one to mull over, I'm coming up to a stop sign and want to turn left. The double yellow lines stop about 1/2metre out from the curb. If I ride my bike through the gap between the curb and the end of the yellow lines, have I ridden through a stop sign according to the law?.

Yes you have ridden through a stop SIGN. The lines are only guides, read the code, it says something like stop before the intersection in a position so you can see the way is clear, sometimes the lines are short of the intersection, but f****ed if I would want to argue that one, and often you can stop behind the car at the lines and still see if the way is clear, good luck arguing that one as well, but I have used this at some intersections.

As to cutting the corner, you can legally cross white lines but to do what you did is cutting the corner and this is an indication you don't have control of the vehicle, therefore CBTA demerit. I have heard it used to identify drunks as well, they got him
Watch how many people bump the curb when parking, for licence testing this is defined as a crash , add a stall and you have a resit. In regards to the tougher tests making the roads safer I am sorry but in my opinion the OPs failure is more of a risk to safety than a parallel parker touching the curb (mounting the curb is totally different) or stalling.

[R650R]

Crossing that redline in early stage means technically you would be facing into oncoming traffic, briefly, so on wrong side of road even though you are turning.
I think this part of the test is more about encourage a predictable action during the turn for other road users. and also if you stray outside that prescribed course its then onvious to assessor that your not fully in control of where your bike goes. Bit like the parallel car parking, need to pass the test with it but after that I've never seen anyone ticketed for taking too long to park or abandoning an attempt...

Red line should be the front wheel, and the yellow line should be the back wheel, and you should have your right leg out and a different colored helmet. Just to keep things sensible .

This! This is the best answer, 23471 viewers found this info helpful. Also you should lay a black line as evidence of lane position

Wot 'E says, Govt knows best.

Now, here's one to mull over, I'm coming up to a stop sign and want to turn left. The double yellow lines stop about 1/2metre out from the curb. If I ride my bike through the gap between the curb and the end of the yellow lines, have I ridden through a stop sign according to the law?.

The law is you need to stop behind the yellow lines somewhere. A lot of people don't realise with stop signs that if you are stopped behind another vehicle when they go you can as well as long as you have a clear view that it is safe to pull out. There is no law about how close you need to be to yellow lines.

[awa355]

The law is you need to stop behind the yellow lines somewhere. A lot of people don't realise with stop signs that if you are stopped behind another vehicle when they go you can as well as long as you have a clear view that it is safe to pull out. There is no law about how close you need to be to yellow lines.

That makes sense. If I'm second in line, I still stop and look although I'm aware of the 'go if its safe' ruling for the 2nd car. Guess I prefer to 'stop' at all stop signs, not just at some.

[Berries]

Now, here's one to mull over, I'm coming up to a stop sign and want to turn left. The double yellow lines stop about 1/2metre out from the curb. If I ride my bike through the gap between the curb and the end of the yellow lines, have I ridden through a stop sign according to the law?.

The intersection is controlled by a a stop sign so yes, you have. If you stopped you are fine, if you didn't then you failed to comply. The Rule is -

4.1 Giving way where vehicles are controlled by stop sign or give-way sign
(1) A driver approaching or entering an intersection on a roadway where the vehicles that are moving in the direction in which that driver is travelling are controlled by a stop sign at or near the intersection must—
(a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed.

So you don't have to stop exactly at the line and I would argue that if you come to a stop behind a car that has stopped at a stop line and the visibility is such that you can ascertain the way is clear from that stationary point then you don't have to stop again at the line. This is the way I do it but not yet had a chance to argue the point. Given the increasing number of BS stop controls being put in, where visibility is way in excess of the requirements for a stop sign, I am sure it will happen.

I'm aware of the 'go if its safe' ruling for the 2nd car.

Not sure that that is written anywhere in a legal sense. The 2nd vehicle still has to stop somewhere before entering the intersection.

[BlackSheepLogic]

So you don't have to stop exactly at the line and I would argue that if you come to a stop behind a car that has stopped at a stop line and the visibility is such that you can ascertain the way is clear from that stationary point then you don't have to stop again at the line.

I always stop rather than following the car in front. I agree that sometimes you can see the way is clear, and technically you have stopped. However, I like my clean license and would rather not rely on being technically correct when discussing the finer points of law at the side of the road.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Yes you have ridden through a stop SIGN. The lines are only guides, read the code, it says something like stop before the intersection in a position so you can see the way is clear, sometimes the lines are short of the intersection, but f****ed if I would want to argue that one, and often you can stop behind the car at the lines and still see if the way is clear, good luck arguing that one as well, but I have used this at some intersections.

As to cutting the corner, you can legally cross white lines but to do what you did is cutting the corner and this is an indication you don't have control of the vehicle, therefore CBTA demerit. I have heard it used to identify drunks as well, they got him
Watch how many people bump the curb when parking, for licence testing this is defined as a crash , add a stall and you have a resit. In regards to the tougher tests making the roads safer I am sorry but in my opinion the OPs failure is more of a risk to safety than a parallel parker touching the curb (mounting the curb is totally different) or stalling.

When preparing for my restricted test (NZTA) I did a practice session with GTRMan. I stopped behind a yellow stop line and could not see properly to proceed. At this point it was explained the road code wants you to stop at that intersection rather than a rolling give way. If you need to position yourself beyond the yellow line to properly determine if its safe to proceed, thats ok.

Stalling is not a fail in the CBTA. I recently sat the CBTA full. Stalling is not mentioned in the IF (instant fail) list. Crashing is. As a matter of fact stalling was not mentioned at all in any context.