Help make filtering in NZ legal - petition

**buggerit** · 7th November 2014, 12:07

Originally Posted by catharsis

Actually, in our system, a petition is required to get you in front of a select committee. They won't take you seriously until you have numbers behind an issue. And a petition with 9,000 signatures DID get exactly that in QLD which got the law put through.
Politicians are looking for easy, low hanging fruit that they can get behind which will give them an excuse to get out and press the flesh.
In this case, it's a common sense law which has no negative backlash on the majority, no cost involved other than the actual passing of the legislation.. A fairly pain/risk free thing to support from a political standpoint. Which is why the politicians I've been in touch with so far have been supportive.

The community here on KB (or rather the few here who want to flash their e-peen and nay-say anything) is obviously not the right place for the main push. Internet forums are always this way. Dominated by a negative, back of the school bus crowd of know it all armchair expert cool kids. It's a shame but the way it is. The quieter intelligent kids on the bus with more important things to worry about tend not to lurk on forums 24/7 being a loud mouth. They sit at the front of the bus and get where they want to go

I hope we get this through. I believe it will make the road safer for the people who want to filter responsibly. As it has in other countries around the world.

Im quite familar wirh politicians looking for low hanging fruit, like screwing us for acc, fucking good boot to the friut that was.
So what do think would score them more brownie points, coming down on those dangerous motorcyclists that scoot by
the majority voters that are stuck in cars or making it easier for the governments hated minority road user?

**catharsis** · 7th November 2014, 12:24

Well since the proposed law makes the road safer for all road users and provides clear legal standing to punish both bikes and cars abusing the law I’d say it’s pretty neutral. Hey, we’ll see how it goes when the political lobbying stage gets underway down the line.
Like I’ve said, after only a few emails to a small handful of politicians in the transport sector of govt. I’ve already had some really positive support. So, I’ll just keep working and see how it goes

**The Reibz** · 7th November 2014, 12:31

Who cares if its illegal, we all still do it anyway. No Fucks given.
Having no rego is allegedly illegal. Yet I rode over 30,000km without one before I thought it "might" be a good idea to get my shit back up to the revenue gathers specs.
Stickers are surposed to add horse power, and for a sticker that costs nearly 600 bucks the performance increase is nothing but shocking.

Legislation won't solve shit. NZer's have a general distaste for the biker population as a hole.
I find it hilarious that cunts think a petition or parking up in Auckland to try and force a referendum is going to work. Good luck with that.

**catharsis** · 7th November 2014, 12:42

I wonder why the biker population is looked at as you say?
Reading this forum I can't think of a single reason.....

**Swoop** · 7th November 2014, 13:08

Originally Posted by The Reibz

Who cares if its illegal, we all still do it anyway. No Fucks given.
Having no rego is allegedly illegal. Yet I rode over 30,000km without one before I thought it "might" be a good idea to get my shit back up to the revenue gathers specs.
Stickers are surposed to add horse power, and for a sticker that costs nearly 600 bucks the performance increase is nothing but shocking.

Possibly the best post in this entire thread!

**TheDemonLord** · 7th November 2014, 13:54

Originally Posted by catharsis

I wonder why the biker population is looked at as you say?
Reading this forum I can't think of a single reason.....

Well our love affair with American style Patched Motorcycle Clubs and the proliferation of TV shows like Sons of Anarchy would be the first, the second would be the perception of the 30 something male Super Bike rider who rides 'recklessly' at 'dangerous speeds' on the public road, and the third would be the BAB in his 50s with the Harley that he's always wanted who has just twatted himself on the first corner he came up to.

Mix in a little 'motorbikes aren't safe', a pinch of jealousy by those stuck in traffic/want a bike but their wife won't let them have one and I would say that is the reason.

What you read on the forum is the reaction of Motorcyclists to the attitudes of the nation as a whole and not necessarily the cause of it.

Afterall - when does the average car driver interact with a motorcylcist? I can assure you, it isn't on the KB forums - its when they have just been passed by 20 patched Head Hunters members and they felt intimidated or its when they weren't paying attention on the open road and got a fright when a a GSX1000R overtook them doing 120 kph in 2nd.

To re-iterate my position - I commend the effort to get Filtering solidified in Legislation, however the Arbitrary speed limits are pointless, have little place in real world filtering, are going to give Mr. Plod another excuse to reach for his Radar gun in order to drum up some road taxes - but worst of all:

It isn't going to change the attitude of the Car drivers that we share the roads with - Filtering will carry the same risk(s) that it currently does, the only difference is that at the posthumous court hearing, I will be in the right, the Car driver will get a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket and thanks to ACC, my Grieving widow won't be able to sue the pants off the fuckwit who couldn't be bothered to check their mirrors.

Without any serious consequences impacting the Driver, there will be no impetus to change/improve ones driving - thus the status quo will remain

**catharsis** · 7th November 2014, 14:07

Oh, I simply meant, if these louts behave in public as they do on here then it's no wonder the general public see bikers as low brow knuckle dragging plebs

As I'm sure the company they keep would not mix with people who vote or... think, I'm not too worried about their level of support for the cause

**buggerit** · 7th November 2014, 14:29

Originally Posted by catharsis

Oh, I simply meant, if these louts behave in public as they do on here then it's no wonder the general public see bikers as low brow knuckle dragging plebs

As I'm sure the company they keep would not mix with people who vote or... think, I'm not too worried about their level of support for the cause

If you didnt come across as a person who thinks they are morally and intellectually superior you may cope better with others
differing points of view.

**catharsis** · 7th November 2014, 14:34

Kinda hard for a literate human not to feel superior to be honest. Reading some of these posts is like reading graffiti in a high school toilet block. Anyway, that's enough trolling for me today. Probably shouldn't have taken the bait so much, oh well, as you were xxoo

**buggerit** · 7th November 2014, 14:54

Originally Posted by catharsis

Kinda hard for a literate human not to feel superior to be honest. Reading some of these posts is like reading graffiti in a high school toilet block. Anyway, that's enough trolling for me today, as you were xxoo

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**James Deuce** · 7th November 2014, 15:29

Originally Posted by catharsis

Kinda hard for a literate human not to feel superior to be honest. Reading some of these posts is like reading graffiti in a high school toilet block. Anyway, that's enough trolling for me today. Probably shouldn't have taken the bait so much, oh well, as you were xxoo

Stop taking motorcycle forums so seriously.

Stop thinking the worst of people who don't agree with you. Most of them have better reasons than you, including being lied to directly by Government ministers, for their nihilistic view of any potential inferface with "the authorities".

Shut up and ride your bike.

Most of all: Stop being a dick. You're starting to remind me of myself.

**FJRider** · 7th November 2014, 15:34

Originally Posted by catharsis

Kinda hard for a literate human not to feel superior to be honest.

Do you know of one .. ???

**catharsis** · 7th November 2014, 15:36

I can't disagree with you there, James. I have acted like a dick in some of my replies. I find it hard to resist sometimes though I know I should. I must apologise. I don't know why it grinds my gears, it really shouldn't heh live and let live.