What say you - review of motorcycle licences

[george formby]

You have to re-sit a test of some kind when you turn 75 (from memory). Perhaps a compromise might be to change this to being every 20 years or so for every class you hold.

Not too onerous, yet will eliminate those licence classes that have not been used for a long time.

I was thinking a sliding scale. 2, 5, 10, 15, 20 years etc after getting full licence. New license holders will have less chance of becoming complacent & good habits ingrained.

[Big Dog]

Fundamentally I am opposed to needing to meet arbitrary standards beyond what we already know as our full license. It can be bad enough trying to meet the shifting goal post that is an examiner who may not be enthusiastic today, may have other stuff on their mind may have a prejudice etc but I do feel a test is necessary.

I am also opposed to single channel compulsory training. There is no one size fits all for motorcycles in particular. Some fundamentals are fixed such as going faster into the wall hurts more but the suspension advice I would receive would be different ( and should be ) than that given to a 45kg rider. Big bike, small bike? Big rider, small rider? Sports rider, cruiser rider? Etc ad nauseam. This is why I would be more supportive of these are approved trainers and formats. Discounts on ACC component of registration for those that have wilfully selected an appropriate trainer and had appropriate training.

The element of choice allows you to find a tutor you gel with who is capable of offering advice that is both useful and understood in full by the recipient.

Much the same as some who struggle at uni do well at tech and vice versa.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

It'll have the opposite effect, more unlicensed people driving around. This happens now, if the punishment is less than the reward, or they simply just don't give a shit which is most of them. Case in point motorway patrol (I must have been bored to watch that). Bitch you had 42 years to get a license - okay she said something about seizures but what about after they stopped? "I just never got around to it...." In over 42 years? Come on!

We should take another lead out of the German book, all unlicensed drivers will be taken to the police station where they will be invited to take a shower....

[more_fasterer]

Regular driving tests throughout your life is a bloody good idea and one I've been wishing would happen for quite a while. It looks like this might be starting to get some traction if you're asking this question Rastuscat?

My view is that it shouldn't be only class 6 licenses, if it's not being applied to all license classes then the only class it should apply to is class 1. Reasoning being that if you ride a bike, you (by necessity) need to know the road rules or you risk getting squashed because you (for example) don't give way when you should, and on top of that most bikers are enthusiast road users - so they generally tend to take pride in what they're doing, and are thus much more likely to know all the road rules. The anecdotal evidence I see regarding car drivers is that they don't know or care about most of the rules, as long as they're not speeding or drunk then they're a good driver, right?

Wrong, mr. middle-aged car driver, now please get the f*** out of the fast lane.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Being a charitable institution, it's not IAM's job, neither would I want to mentor people who didn't want to be there There is a current incentive though - reduced insurance premiums for IAM Advanced Test holders

Forced mandatory training is never a good thing, people have the be willing and ready to accept the training.

It really irritates me how many people on here want to focus on how others ride. If you want to improve the average skill level take a look at your riding and stop being so judgmental on how others are riding. The testing we have if followed insures we license people who have the basic handling skills to ride, it's graduated and good riding habits are ingrained though experience an a willingness to advance one own skills.

Someone's general behavior when riding is not changed by further testing and/or education on what they know already. Instead of commenting on how poor everyone else's riding is, go out there and set a good example by the way you ride.

[HenryDorsetCase]

One incident on a reality TV show isn't evidence for a horde of unlicensed drivers terrorising the demon roads of Auckland.

If its good enough for TV, its good enough for me.

[James Deuce]

If its good enough for TV, its good enough for me.

Yeah, but you're a lawyer.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, but you're a lawyer.

well, sure, but my more important role is as a consumer and as a statistic for multi national companies, and their minions, the failing nation-states of USA and UnZud to manipulate and control.....


something like that, anyways

[R650R]

No you challenged me to:

"show any evidence from a govt site of the right to operate a forklift expiring after three years from the OSH course date."



The govt site stated:
"Operators must be trained, have a Forklift Operator's Certificate to use a forklift and must be authorised to use it by the employer...

...It is required that retraining be undertaken every three years.

You never asked for it in 'legislation'.

Yes my bad on that one, I meant to say legislation...

[R650R]

One incident on a reality TV show isn't evidence for a horde of unlicensed drivers terrorising the demon roads of Auckland.

Think of it as a promo trailer for the multi season drama to follow

[R650R]

Just on the flipside, I'm one of those with some thing where one eye is slightly (very slightly) more powerful than the other. Looking normally into the AA machine, I can't see what I'm supposed to see... but sometimes I can It's bloody annoying, so I'm doubtful of any valid roadside test...

One eye isn't more powerful, its more like one eye is more knackered than the other!
You should get it sorted out. When I got my first glasses it had been such a gradual progression that it wasn't till my vision was corrected that I realised how little I could see before...
99% of the time you can prob get by safely.......

Perhaps the roadside test could be Russian roulette, you get to tell the office which rounds on the boot of the car are blanks and which ones hollowpoints live rounds to insert into revolver

[FJRider]

Trucks crash due to a combination of errors adding up.

Errors not usually of THEIR making ...

[swbarnett]

One eye isn't more powerful,

When I was about 11 years old I had my eyes tested (random thing at school). One eye had twice the resolving power of the other. Nothing wrong with either of them - both better than normal for my age.

No two eyes are ever exactly the same. It's just that for most people they're near enough that it makes no difference.

[Gremlin]

One eye isn't more powerful, its more like one eye is more knackered than the other!
You should get it sorted out. When I got my first glasses it had been such a gradual progression that it wasn't till my vision was corrected that I realised how little I could see before...
99% of the time you can prob get by safely.......

Already had it properly tested (thought I was going crazy when I couldn't see one of the columns in the machine) and the difference isn't big enough for glasses...

[Coldrider]

480, 000 class 6 licence holders, , 80, 000 registered motorcycles, how many nz active KB members as a pecentage of how much?