What say you - review of motorcycle licences

[HenryDorsetCase]

I like Mossy's ideas as above BUT we could still be reamed up the ass depending on what the ACC portion of the bill might be??
It would certainly weed out the born agains as Rastuscat was wanting and be a more equatable solution for all of us.
Mind you it has seemed to go unnoticed even on here.

Like to see you get that one through though

No, charge it in fuel. Separate, transparent, pay as you go.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Tourists account for 1% of the vehicle crashes.

yeah, that'll make ALL the difference.

What percentage of deaths? that is. of those crashes that result in a fatal, are the tourists disproportionately represented?

because, you know, 20 year old chinese tourist girl that took out two (nearly three) people on motorbikes in the LIndis.

[Reckless]

No, charge it in fuel. Separate, transparent, pay as you go.

Damn good idea
BUT since they have left the original ACC Woodhouse theory behind and turned it into risk evaluated compulsory insurance!
They would want to charge bikes a different fuel rate therefore it wouldn't get off the ground on fuel.
Not under the present ideology??

[rastuscat]

I certainly don't want to discourage riding.

I'd just like people who ride to be sufficiently skilled to live beyond the end of their mid life crisis.

[mossy1200]

Damn good idea
BUT since they have left the original ACC Woodhouse theory behind and turned it into risk evaluated compulsory insurance!
They would want to charge bikes a different fuel rate therefore it wouldn't get off the ground on fuel.
Not under the present ideology??

Yes I would get myself a 30 litre lawnmower fuel can to mow said lawns acc tax free every weekend.

[speights_bud]

That is 'colour of law' eg a statement made incorrectly by someone in authority that ends up being believed as law by the uneducated.
I challenged you to find it in legislation and you haven't.
You could not prosecute someone in court with the quoted statement as it is not law decreed by parliament.
There is a provision to recommend refresher courses but there is no law saying you have to or that you are breaking the law by not doing it.

No you challenged me to:

"show any evidence from a govt site of the right to operate a forklift expiring after three years from the OSH course date."



The govt site stated:
"Operators must be trained, have a Forklift Operator's Certificate to use a forklift and must be authorised to use it by the employer...

...It is required that retraining be undertaken every three years.

You never asked for it in 'legislation'.

[Madness]

Tourists account for 1% of the vehicle crashes.

yeah, that'll make ALL the difference.

Perspective is everything.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/87901-...ng-change.html

...there is no law saying you have to or that you are breaking the law by not doing it.

Start a petition?

[bogan]

The only way to seriously increase the odds there is to ride less or give up riding completely as the chances of being taken out on a bike are greater irrespective of how skilled a rider you are. Some bikes are safer than others in certain situations too and the most safest bikes for all situations are not sadly affordable by all riders.

Well you've failed the defensive riding attitudes test, please resit again in 30 years...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I rode my motorcycle in the rain today. Across town (this fucking town) in traffic. And only nearly was killed the one time.

[FJRider]

.. He referred to a large number of licesnse holders compared to a smaller number of registered motorcycles

The disparity would / could be caused by ...

1: a large number of unregistered motorcycles.

2: a large number of shared motorcycles.

3: some license holders not riding at all.



So ... possibly a third of the numbers he mentioned ... not riding at all.


Enough for a change of legislation ... ???

[FJRider]

The only way to seriously increase the odds there is to ride less or give up riding completely as the chances of being taken out on a bike are greater irrespective of how skilled a rider you are. Some bikes are safer than others in certain situations too and the most safest bikes for all situations are not sadly affordable by all riders.

Increase the odds of doing what ... ???

Many motorcyclists I know of seem to have deeply set suicidal tendencies ... so if they do die (quick question) have they succeeded or failed ... ???

[FJRider]

Yes I would get myself a 30 litre lawnmower fuel can to mow said lawns acc tax free every weekend.

Sorry to burst your bubble ...

BUT ...


The majority of the amount you spend on fuel IS TAX.

ACC levies in vehicle registration ... do not make up the total funding ACC receives.

Any further ACC funding is made from treasury. (ie: TAX)




30 litres of petrol each weekend ??? ... you must have a big lawn ...

[george formby]

I think everyone should have to sit a test to renew their licenses, regardless of class. That'd learn 'em.


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Not sure where your tongues at but I have thought, for donkeys years, that on going testing / training is a good way of making the roads safer.
But. It has to cover all road users, well, license holders.
ACC are making a significant investment in the Pro Rider training courses through subsidies but the majority of participants want to be safer & better riders. The swathe of riders who are most at risk don't give a shit. License based testing sounds good and will wake up the swathe but will cost a fortune. I would rather contribute to that through my rego than hospital care. I ain't paying for both. Some folk should not be on the road, they are permanently incapable of being safe but in my experience a lot of bad driving / riding comes from ignorance and that's curable.
Yeah, if you want safer roads you have to invest in the road users. Like it or not.

[Big Dog]

Same standards need to apply for all classes. No registered vehicles in the last period of renewal? Provide documentary evidence of ongoing use of this class type. (Rental docs, employment contracts that state the types of vehicle etc. ), proof of professional instruction or proof of approved ongoing education.

I know plenty of people who have not driven a car more than 500 km total in the last 10 or more years. It scares me silly they are allowed to drive v8s, at night and without supervision.

I don't know about losing the class altogether. Maybe suspend it. If suspended for longer than 5 years start over? If renewed via a practical back to restricted until full is re-attained via a second practical in six months or after an approved course?

Be expensive to set up the tech side, but oh so cheap long run.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Gremlin]

And regarding eyesight test, police should make every speeder undergo a roadside eye test. There are heaps of people out there who are half blind and refuse to admit to it.

Just on the flipside, I'm one of those with some thing where one eye is slightly (very slightly) more powerful than the other. Looking normally into the AA machine, I can't see what I'm supposed to see... but sometimes I can It's bloody annoying, so I'm doubtful of any valid roadside test...

It must be hilarious driving a cop car, because in that little bubble around it, everyone is sweating bullets and being super polite. they wait till they cant see it before resuming their arrogant, dangerous aggressive normal driving. Next time I steal one I will conduct an experiment.

So you've also seen the rolling starts on the motorway, no-one passing the cop, even though he's under the speed limit?