What say you - review of motorcycle licences

[Akzle]

one licence: road user.
Week long testing, two yearly. On ten kinds of vehicle. Truck car motorbike scooter tractor horse etc.
Cause an accident you get beaten with a hose pipe.
Cause a fatality you get shot.
Also 'D' endorsement for driving drunk and 'H' for driving high, if you pass the testing.

[James Deuce]

one licence: road user.
Week long testing, two yearly. On ten kinds of vehicle. Truck car motorbike scooter tractor horse etc.
Cause an accident you get beaten with a hose pipe.
Cause a fatality you get shot.
Also 'D' endorsement for driving drunk and 'H' for driving high, if you pass the testing.

So when are you going to register your political party?

[Akzle]

So when are you going to register your political party?

haha. Register.

[willytheekid]

How would you feel if the gubbermint did this.

When you go to renew your licence, you have an eye test, and pays yer money. Your car licence is rolled over, no probs.

But if you want to renew your bike licence, you have to pass a practical assessment. Pass, and you're all good. Fail, you get some ACC subsidized training, and you're good to go.

See, there are 480 thousand people in NZ holding Class 6 full licences, but only 80 thousand bikes registered. What's apparent is that there are a shit load of people with bike licences who haven't ridden in years. Some will never.

These are over represented in crash stats, when they have their mid life crisis and get back onto a bike after not having ridden for decades.

I for one think it should include a driving test for all classes, but how would you feel if it was applied to just Class 6 licences?

Just seeking opinions, which flow freely on here.

Or!...they could just stop handing licenses out to any twot that can get around the block & parrelle park!

There IS an easy solution to reduce the amount of carnage on our roads Rastuscat...but we both know its not a "profitable" soulution...so it will never be introduced.

Start building engaging and well designed roads and primarily, introduce REAL! driver testing AND training, the kind that will ensure only well trained and educated drivers are issued licenses.(Any license!)
(And if you don't meet the standards ->TUFF!, Free public transport pass for life, as its been PROVEN you are simply to dumb to drive on a public road)


But lets face it, the primary focus of Govt "Road safety"...is there own Profit!
...Not INVESTING in the people and infrastructor of NewZealand and implimenting solutions to EXTREMELY profitable problems

Hence
If they targeted JUST motorcyclists as you mentioned, and no doubt charge me EVEN MORE $! to ensure non riders with a GOVT ISSUED LICENSE can be tested AGAIN, in the hope that the shitty testing system (that gave him the license, but none of the required traning!), will determine if he's "competant enough" to ride again and not kill himself




Hmmm....How bout linking Rego data to license's issue? (never rego'd a bike in 10yrs...bike license revoked till shit arse "testing" completed)...Ahh, all this sorta crap just makes me wanna go for a ride (while I can still afford it!)





...MAYBE OUR NEW OWNERS FROM CHINA WILL SORT IT ALL OUT FOR US

[SNF]

You DEFINITELY need it. And some counseling for the victim attitude.

I call BS. I do Pro rider courses every few months. I used to split daily without problems. I generally have a good idea of what I am doing while riding. Ever been to Auckland? Ever seen what passes as driving?

[James Deuce]

I call BS. I do Pro rider courses every few months. I used to split daily without problems. I generally have a good idea of what I am doing while riding. Ever been to Auckland? Ever seen what passes as driving?

Your attitude is key to a long an happy life of motorcycling. With that attitude, I suspect you'll be driving an Impreza with your hat on backwards before long. A non-turbo one with a fake blow-off valve.

[swbarnett]

I for one think it should include a driving test for all classes,

Exactly. This is the crux of the matter.

but how would you feel if it was applied to just Class 6 licences?

Two words - FUCK OFF!!!!

Without applying this to ALL license classes it's just another form of discrimination. Hell, there are a number of car drivers that drive every day that could do with a retest.

[Devil]

Too many posts to read. Taking into account the practicalities of testing, i'm all for re-testing every 10 years.
In the case of a multi class licence holder, then tested on only one class, typically the toughest. Limit testing to Class 1, Class 6, Class 2 - in that particular order. Got them all? Your test is class 2. Got car and bike? Your test is bike.

Testing all would be impractical. Testing only motorcyclists would be stupid. Like you say - its to affect the masses.

There MUST be a change to catch all these 'lifers' who scraped through the first time, and just develop worse and worse habits.

[TheDemonLord]

Or!...they could just stop handing licenses out to any twot that can get around the block & parrelle park!

There IS an easy solution to reduce the amount of carnage on our roads Rastuscat...but we both know its not a "profitable" soulution...so it will never be introduced.

Start building engaging and well designed roads and primarily, introduce REAL! driver testing AND training, the kind that will ensure only well trained and educated drivers are issued licenses.(Any license!)
(And if you don't meet the standards ->TUFF!, Free public transport pass for life, as its been PROVEN you are simply to dumb to drive on a public road)


But lets face it, the primary focus of Govt "Road safety"...is there own Profit!
...Not INVESTING in the people and infrastructor of NewZealand and implimenting solutions to EXTREMELY profitable problems

Hence
If they targeted JUST motorcyclists as you mentioned, and no doubt charge me EVEN MORE $! to ensure non riders with a GOVT ISSUED LICENSE can be tested AGAIN, in the hope that the shitty testing system (that gave him the license, but none of the required traning!), will determine if he's "competant enough" to ride again and not kill himself




Hmmm....How bout linking Rego data to license's issue? (never rego'd a bike in 10yrs...bike license revoked till shit arse "testing" completed)...Ahh, all this sorta crap just makes me wanna go for a ride (while I can still afford it!)





...MAYBE OUR NEW OWNERS FROM CHINA WILL SORT IT ALL OUT FOR US

We could always implement the german method for getting a car licence - $2000 cost to get a licence, minimum number of hours with a certified instructor including night, Autobahn and city driving...

[swbarnett]

Some bikes are safer than others in certain situations too and the most safest bikes for all situations are not sadly affordable by all riders.

Not true. The safest bike is one ridden by a safe rider. All the modern "safety" gadgets account for very little if the rider is not up to par.

[SNF]

We could always implement the german method for getting a car licence - $2000 cost to get a licence, minimum number of hours with a certified instructor including night, Autobahn and city driving...

It'll have the opposite effect, more unlicensed people driving around. This happens now, if the punishment is less than the reward, or they simply just don't give a shit which is most of them. Case in point motorway patrol (I must have been bored to watch that). Bitch you had 42 years to get a license - okay she said something about seizures but what about after they stopped? "I just never got around to it...." In over 42 years? Come on!

[James Deuce]

One incident on a reality TV show isn't evidence for a horde of unlicensed drivers terrorising the demon roads of Auckland.

[Blackbird]

All classes of licence thanks. No discrimination, everyone gets tested. If you've taken alternate training recently, then you fly through. Mostly thinking of commercial trucking, but for motorcycles stuff like IAM could apply (and technically IAM is 3 arms, car, truck and motorcycle in NZ).


Correct re IAM, and quite honestly, we don't have the capacity required for it... yet. We're working on it, but it's not a quick thing...

Being a charitable institution, it's not IAM's job, neither would I want to mentor people who didn't want to be there There is a current incentive though - reduced insurance premiums for IAM Advanced Test holders

[Big Dog]

Or!...they could just stop handing licenses out to any twot that can get around the block & parrelle park!

There IS an easy solution to reduce the amount of carnage on our roads Rastuscat...but we both know its not a "profitable" soulution...so it will never be introduced.

Start building engaging and well designed roads and primarily, introduce REAL! driver testing AND training, the kind that will ensure only well trained and educated drivers are issued licenses.(Any license!)
(And if you don't meet the standards ->TUFF!, Free public transport pass for life, as its been PROVEN you are simply to dumb to drive on a public road)


But lets face it, the primary focus of Govt "Road safety"...is there own Profit!
...Not INVESTING in the people and infrastructor of NewZealand and implimenting solutions to EXTREMELY profitable problems

Hence
If they targeted JUST motorcyclists as you mentioned, and no doubt charge me EVEN MORE $! to ensure non riders with a GOVT ISSUED LICENSE can be tested AGAIN, in the hope that the shitty testing system (that gave him the license, but none of the required traning!), will determine if he's "competant enough" to ride again and not kill himself




Hmmm....How bout linking Rego data to license's issue? (never rego'd a bike in 10yrs...bike license revoked till shit arse "testing" completed)...Ahh, all this sorta crap just makes me wanna go for a ride (while I can still afford it!)





...MAYBE OUR NEW OWNERS FROM CHINA WILL SORT IT ALL OUT FOR US

God dammit. That made sense.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[p.dath]

You have to re-sit a test of some kind when you turn 75 (from memory). Perhaps a compromise might be to change this to being every 20 years or so for every class you hold.

Not too onerous, yet will eliminate those licence classes that have not been used for a long time.