Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[unstuck]

Hmmm...

Makes sense to me.

[R650R]

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
I challenge every person who gets a speeding ticket under the zero tolerance regime to fight it.
Here's what you do.
When pulled up.
1. Ask to see the officer's certificate indicating he/she is trained to operate radar speed detection equipment.
2. Ask to see all certificates relating to the unit itself and check that all serial numbers are correct.
3. Ask to see the day's test results that should have been done before the officer went on patrol.
If all of those things are in order take the matter to court.
— Ask for proof that the radar units are capable of recording zero tolerance speeds. I believe they are plus/minus 2 or 3 percent.
— Ask how zero tolerance can be enforced when speedometers in cars in NZ are only required to be accurate to within plus/minus 10 percent under the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) that this country has adopted.
Of course, it's futile if you are 15 or 20km.h over the limit, but if there's a shadow of doubt — challenge it in court.

Re the above: Alan Dick's a dick if he thinks the cop is going to show them 1.2.&3. at the side of the road (I certainly wouldn't) - as with all the rest he would get it before he went to Court, it's called disclosure.

I'm not faffing around showing every moaning wally that paperwork at the roadside - a fair few wouldn't know what they were looking at from my experience, it might as well be Dunkin'Donuts menu for all the sense it would make to them!

You can bet he would be the first to rollover belly up and take it. He knows this crap wouldn't work, just a quick article to boost his social media traffic.

Here's what will really happen:
1: Cop says its held at station, please phone x and make an appointment.
2: as per step 1
3: as per step 1 by the time you get to the station the appropriate documents will be available.

In the meantime the cop will be running your full profile through the Wanganui computer and adding tags that your a cop hater, rebel, enemy of the state, potential terrorist etc... All this shit takes time, add another 30mins to your roadside rendezvous. Instead of using his fancy computer he will broadcast all your details across the channel so all the other cops in town know your difficult.

As per court, what employer is going to allow you time off to contest a pedantic $30 ticket which even if you win is going to be a net loss after the time off from work.
You can bet the media will lap it up of course. You'd want to be having an absolute spotless driving record and be loved by the local community lest new witnesses come forward to testify that your less than a 100% safe driver...

[R650R]

Hmmm...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/...causes-crashes

Please do not encourage the Troll factory that is Stuff Nation. Its an absolute crime against journalism that they let just anyone have their crap published alongside real news.
Stuff Nation is like the bin of letters to the editor that other papers would through in the bin.
I know its hard but just ignore it, there was a setting once to remove it from your version of Stuffs homepage but think its been lost in various browser updates.
Every time you click that shit they sadly think we want to read more of it....

[James Deuce]

It's OK, Stuff don't do real news, so there's no "alongside".

[R650R]

I know of people that just dont bother with regos and wofs because you never see cops these days.

They might very well say that but reality is a different story...

[Paul in NZ]

Please do not encourage the Troll factory that is Stuff Nation. ...

So which troll factory should I encourage? KB????

[GrayWolf]

Dammit, donut shops are selling sundry bakery items are they?

I'm still waiting for a reply re my post on the 'UK Traffic Division M/cylce Police' doing public training, BTW.

just sayin

[blue rider]

Cool, so now you want us to be driving instructors. I hear you, but teaching people to drive is the responsibility of the NZTA. ACC contributes by subsidising motorcycle training. We don't do driver training. We're not funded for it, and frankly, we aren't driving instructors.

We do enforcement. Just sayin.

no I don't want you to do driver trainer, I want You to ADVOCATE for formal compulsory Driver Training.

If the Police can scream about speed kills, and lets be 0 tolerance n shit (again, i am such a slow fart, i actually indicate left and let people pass - so it does really not affect me) then the Police can scream about WE NEED BETTER DRIVER TRAINING.


But that is not the point is it? Advocating for better driver training, advocating for better and more varied speed limits, hey that ain't cool, no donut points for that from the state that needs you guys to collect funds.


I am sorry mate, you and your colleagues are there to collect funds, and in the mean time, peeps that can't drive for shit because they only ever learn how to start and stop (and then some) are killing themselves and others. And speed is only one of the factors that kills.

[Reckless]

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
I challenge every person who gets a speeding ticket under the zero tolerance regime to fight it.
Here's what you do.
When pulled up.
1. Ask to see the officer's certificate indicating he/she is trained to operate radar speed detection equipment.
2. Ask to see all certificates relating to the unit itself and check that all serial numbers are correct.
3. Ask to see the day's test results that should have been done before the officer went on patrol.
If all of those things are in order take the matter to court.
— Ask for proof that the radar units are capable of recording zero tolerance speeds. I believe they are plus/minus 2 or 3 percent.
— Ask how zero tolerance can be enforced when speedometers in cars in NZ are only required to be accurate to within plus/minus 10 percent under the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) that this country has adopted.
Of course, it's futile if you are 15 or 20km.h over the limit, but if there's a shadow of doubt — challenge it in court.

Re the above: Alan Dick's a dick if he thinks the cop is going to show them 1.2.&3. at the side of the road (I certainly wouldn't) - as with all the rest he would get it before he went to Court, it's called disclosure.

I'm not faffing around showing every moaning wally that paperwork at the roadside - a fair few wouldn't know what they were looking at from my experience, it might as well be Dunkin'Donuts menu for all the sense it would make to them!

Are you required to have the documents in the car with you at all times??
And if you are surely you would have to provide the correct information as to how to read them to verify the numbers?
There is also cell phone pics the the alleged offender could take of them.

Again Are you required to have the documents in the car with you at all times??

You can bet he would be the first to rollover belly up and take it. He knows this crap wouldn't work, just a quick article to boost his social media traffic.

Here's what will really happen:
1: Cop says its held at station, please phone x and make an appointment.
2: as per step 1
3: as per step 1 by the time you get to the station the appropriate documents will be available.

Not a lawyer but
Wouldn't the officer refusing to produce the documents at the time give you a defence in court??
If the Docs are not produced at the time of the ticket how can the serial numbers of the unit be checked/matched against the certification documentation at the time of the offence?
If they are not produced the checks cannot be made to certify that particular unit at that particular time? That's Doubt alone isn't it??
Disclosure doesnt prove that unit matches that Certificate that can be matched anytime by the cop after you have riden away? Thats not right?
Wouldn't you get the thing thrown out of court on this alone depending on how cop friendly the Judge is?



Secondly I everyone did this for every ticket it would make the process of issuing a 4k over Speeding ticket a long one.
You could shag about checking serial numbers and having the documentation explained for 1/2 hour or more.
That in itself might be a better first line public protest than taking all tickets to court.
It also might make Failing to indicate, failing to keep left, failing to pull over, failing to give way, using a cellphone an easier target for the cops.
Which in turn may have a bigger impact on the road toll than the present scam??

[Big Dog]

Ive not seen any vehicle pulled over by a police officer in the 5 years I have been commuting to work.

I have seen speed camera vans many times.

Either you don't use the north western or southern motorways or you are not very observant.
I pass at least on marked and one unmarked every day. About twice a week I pass a bike cop. Normally about 5 between them for a day. Speed cameras can make up up to another 3. When I lived in west Auckland it was more like at least one, normally 2-3. With 2-3 camera vans a month.
On the northern motorway I used to pass at least 1 every day but that was 6 years ago. On the south western I have only ever passed camera vans and mufti cars during peak times.





Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[rastuscat]

Yes and the British Police Traffic Division Motorcyclists (who are paid as law enforcers) Also run training for the public,....

just sayin!

Bikewise.

I looked at trying to do it down here, I even communicated with the UK National Co-Ordinator.

We are too much of a minority, motorcycle Popos, for it to get off the ground. Our existence is marginal, and most of our managers see us as an expensive side show. Did you know that there are only 26 current authorized patrol riders in NZ? There are 5 of us in Chur Chur, who share 2 bikes.

We just don't have the resources to do Bikewise down here, or I would have years ago.

[rastuscat]

I'm still waiting for a reply re my post on the 'UK Traffic Division M/cylce Police' doing public training, BTW.

just sayin

Ya got it.

BTW, to start doing instruction we would have to have I endorsements from NZTA. We don't have that. I'm one of the 4 trainers in the Popo allowed to train riders, and we don't have I endorsements. The dept won't pay, and I'm not going to set up a private business, as there are enough of those already.

I'd be keen to do Bikewise, but it's just too hard to do when we get so much other stuff shovelled our way.

[Tazz]

When it suits

plenty of cops send mixed messages or break the rules when it suits them

no consistency

Followed one to Wanganui last week, he cruised at a consistent 118-120kmh for over 20km...all sweet, he knew I was there

I got a ticket for 90 in an 80 two days later

fuckin double standards

Yep, similar experience following the plod near Amberley on Sunday night. 105+ then had them u-turn around a left hander with a rise (blind) in the rain too, just to keep me on my toes I'm sure.

I think the only success that will come out of this is burning up some more public goodwill towards the police force.

[TheDemonLord]

Bikewise.

I looked at trying to do it down here, I even communicated with the UK National Co-Ordinator.

We are too much of a minority, motorcycle Popos, for it to get off the ground. Our existence is marginal, and most of our managers see us as an expensive side show. Did you know that there are only 26 current authorized patrol riders in NZ? There are 5 of us in Chur Chur, who share 2 bikes.

We just don't have the resources to do Bikewise down here, or I would have years ago.

That says it all doesn't it - if the NZ police think Bike Police are a side show - it is really telling to what their attitude must be to the NZ Motorcyclist (somewhere between insect and crap on the bottom of your shoe)

[Tazz]

stopping is always optional.

True, but in the past that usually meant dropping the hammer rather than taunting.