Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[willytheekid]

....and I'm not going to set up a private business.

DAMNIT!...I would have sign up straight away
...then I could learn how the hell you manage to get that big Churman bitch through traffic so damn quickly! (safely! I might add...but still damn impressive the couple o times Ive "tried" to sneakily follow you)



ps...when do you get the new VFR's?...looking forward to your impressions compared to the Churman rides

[rastuscat]

DAMNIT!...I would have sign up straight away
...then I could learn how the hell you manage to get that big Churman bitch through traffic so damn quickly! (safely! I might add...but still damn impressive the couple o times Ive "tried" to sneakily follow you)



ps...when do you get the new VFR's?...looking forward to your impressions compared to the Churman rides

ST1300's Wheelie. Due in April. The VFRs come from Honda Europe, and the STs are being supplied by Honda Asia-Pacific. Our bad luck, VFRs would have been cool.

I'm on the old bike today, 147000 on the clock. It still grunts and groans like the best of them.

[GrayWolf]

Ya got it.

BTW, to start doing instruction we would have to have I endorsements from NZTA. We don't have that. I'm one of the 4 trainers in the Popo allowed to train riders, and we don't have I endorsements. The dept won't pay, and I'm not going to set up a private business, as there are enough of those already.

I'd be keen to do Bikewise, but it's just too hard to do when we get so much other stuff shovelled our way.

Ok thanks Rastus, that does clear things up as to why....
I do have to wonder though, if the UK Traffic Division have to have a 'civilian endorsement' to teach the public. I know there is a difference between the way the two forces run their MC Popo, as you'll be very aware the UK T Div' have to be highly trained in 'pursuit' to be TD which is a separate Div to the normal Popo.
Having done advanced riding in the UK, and the instructor was a TD Popo, I never asked if he had to have a special endorsement. To me it seems a bit 'daft' as if the NZ training is 'on par' to the UK TD, then surely the Popo riders will be skilled enough to teach IAM training, or as you say 'Bikewise'.

It's a damn shame actually, because Bikewise seems to have had the added benefit of improving relations between riders and Popo. (Bet you'd LOVE a stealth 'busa, like they use over there)

[Paul in NZ]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1130798922]Bikewise.

Our existence is marginal, and most of our managers see us as an expensive side show. QUOTE]

The bikes are very useful when overseas bigwigs arrive and you lot block all the traffic for the motorcades...

[rastuscat]

Ok thanks Rastus, that does clear things up as to why....
I do have to wonder though, if the UK Traffic Division have to have a 'civilian endorsement' to teach the public. I know there is a difference between the way the two forces run their MC Popo, as you'll be very aware the UK T Div' have to be highly trained in 'pursuit' to be TD which is a separate Div to the normal Popo.
Having done advanced riding in the UK, and the instructor was a TD Popo, I never asked if he had to have a special endorsement. To me it seems a bit 'daft' as if the NZ training is 'on par' to the UK TD, then surely the Popo riders will be skilled enough to teach IAM training, or as you say 'Bikewise'.

It's a damn shame actually, because Bikewise seems to have had the added benefit of improving relations between riders and Popo. (Bet you'd LOVE a stealth 'busa, like they use over there)

My bad, it's Bikesafe, not Bikewise.

The patrol rider training over there is streets ahead of ours. Here we focus on low speed skills, and road riding. Over there they focus on high speed response, something the law doesn't allow us to do here.

To clarify, over there they are allowed to exceed the speed limit for the purpose of training. Here we can't. The only way to learn how to ride at high speed with lights and siren on is to ride at high speed with lights and siren on, something we aren't allowed to do here.

[unstuck]

(Bet you'd LOVE a stealth 'busa, like they use over there)

Shhhh, don't give the fuckers ideas.

[rastuscat]

[QUOTE=Paul in NZ;1130798938]

Bikewise.

Our existence is marginal, and most of our managers see us as an expensive side show. QUOTE]

The bikes are very useful when overseas bigwigs arrive and you lot block all the traffic for the motorcades...

I just did a stint on motorcades in Orkers. Cool fun that. Saves us having to roster tons of beat cops to intersections where we can do any motorcade with 6 patrol bikes.

[willytheekid]

ST1300's Wheelie. Due in April. The VFRs come from Honda Europe, and the STs are being supplied by Honda Asia-Pacific. Our bad luck, VFRs would have been cool.

I'm on the old bike today, 147000 on the clock. It still grunts and groans like the best of them.

Bugger! was realy looking forward to that ride review*...still, the ST1300's are meant to be a good bike (Still fat tho)

Only 147000?...so the Big Churmans almost run in eh! (130 on the little VFR...stock clutch is "nearly" ready to be replaced...so I bought a spare motor just in case!)



*Will just have to lend ya mine eh (Once the headset bearings get replaced again!...its the roads!...Honest)


-Stay safe Ras...its nice to just talk about bikes sometimes

[Gremlin]

Having done advanced riding in the UK, and the instructor was a TD Popo, I never asked if he had to have a special endorsement. To me it seems a bit 'daft' as if the NZ training is 'on par' to the UK TD, then surely the Popo riders will be skilled enough to teach IAM training, or as you say 'Bikewise'.

It's a damn shame actually, because Bikewise seems to have had the added benefit of improving relations between riders and Popo. (Bet you'd LOVE a stealth 'busa, like they use over there)

It certainly does seem to be well received in the UK, good PR etc. As the cat says though, there isn't nearly the same ratio of bike cops to people as there is in the UK, plus the resources. Seems the NZ heads let the accountants rule, and bikes are just as expensive (or more) than a car. A car carries 2 officers (or up to 4), doesn't require additional specific training, the increased risk to your staff, plus carries the baddies. They gotta live sad lives if you see everything like that, but there you go.

In IAM NZ, we are not instructors (there are a few that run riding schools, so as such, are NZTA I endorsed instructors) so we are not instructing or teaching. The associate remains in control of their own ride, and if they feel something is not safe, then they shouldn't do it. It is more of a mentoring role, IAM is a voluntary charity, so it's more, if you want to ride in this way, which has international standards, then by all means, participate. On the flip side, with CBTA coming into effect, there have been more driving instructors becoming interested, as the requirements for Class 6 I were increased I think (not sure on specifics). We do also have the odd bike cop involved as well, and other members of police that own bikes (but not bike cops).

[roogazza]

Well I don’t know about this anymore…

I suspect most people wouldn’t have so much have an issue with the removal of a tolerance if it had not come at the tail end of a bunch of other ‘initiative’s’ where the main result is the majority suffering because of the actions of a few. 60kph speed limits around Pauatahanui Inlet because some boy racer plonkers parked their car upside down in the middle of the inlet and someone died? What about the thousands who used the road and didn’t do anything stupid?

As a motorcyclist – I have on occasion gone too fast on the Queens highway.. Its fun and the feeling of a large bike peeling away is utterly magic…. And – I’m neither dead or in prison for killing anyone else… Yet the statistics indicate that speed and the death rate are linked… But how can this be possible??? It seems inconceivable that a self confessed speeder who has ridden bikes that long could possibly have survived…

No one wants anyone to die in a road accident… It’s a horrible and expensive death… But at some point surely we have to say that if we want the freedom of having our own cars and bikes then some kind of road toll is inevitable… It’s a matter of balancing personal freedoms against the need to reduce that figure…

Already more people die every year from Influenza?

I just think we are at that point where we are pretty well over hearing about this and loosing what little fun is left in life because despite what they say it IS possible to have fun without killing anyone…

Good post Paul , pretty much how I would have written that up.
A clown dies on a corner and someone (don't know who it is?) jumps on it thinks ,well he doesn't think ! because,is he going to do that with every event ?
Have to use it again sorry.

[rastuscat]

It certainly does seem to be well received in the UK, good PR etc. As the cat says though, there isn't nearly the same ratio of bike cops to people as there is in the UK, plus the resources. Seems the NZ heads let the accountants rule, and bikes are just as expensive (or more) than a car. A car carries 2 officers (or up to 4), doesn't require additional specific training, the increased risk to your staff, plus carries the baddies. They gotta live sad lives if you see everything like that, but there you go.

Feeling marginalized.

Actually, feeling bloody lucky to have manipulated my bosses to let me ride a bike, and focus on bike safety stuff. As much as I can, wearing the uniform I do.

[R650R]

Not a lawyer but
Wouldn't the officer refusing to produce the documents at the time give you a defence in court??
If the Docs are not produced at the time of the ticket how can the serial numbers of the unit be checked/matched against the certification documentation at the time of the offence?
If they are not produced the checks cannot be made to certify that particular unit at that particular time? That's Doubt alone isn't it??
Disclosure doesnt prove that unit matches that Certificate that can be matched anytime by the cop after you have riden away? Thats not right?
Wouldn't you get the thing thrown out of court on this alone depending on how cop friendly the Judge is?

An officer not providing documents would not be any defence for your offending.
Most people wouldn't know the proper words to use either, no one has to hand over shit if the word Forthwith isn't in the sentence which means immediately and without delay.

In any case the judge is going to ask the cop how many other people has he tickted or warned with the same speed device. The next question is going to be how many of them contested the accuracy....
We already had a case like this when that guy in wellington questioned the accuracy of one of the pole cameras. He lost as no significant deviation could be proved.
The cop is earning money still while your blabbing about your rights at the roadside while your making yourself later for work or wasting your recreational time and getting a ticket still.
Cops don't really care what happens between donut breaks while the meter is running on their paychecks....

[Scuba_Steve]

An officer not providing documents would not be any defence for your offending.
Most people wouldn't know the proper words to use either, no one has to hand over shit if the word Forthwith isn't in the sentence which means immediately and without delay.

In any case the judge is going to ask the cop how many other people has he tickted or warned with the same speed device. The next question is going to be how many of them contested the accuracy....
We already had a case like this when that guy in wellington questioned the accuracy of one of the pole cameras. He lost as no significant deviation could be proved.
The cop is earning money still while your blabbing about your rights at the roadside while your making yourself later for work or wasting your recreational time and getting a ticket still.
Cops don't really care what happens between donut breaks while the meter is running on their paychecks....

But hey if it helps prevent another NZer getting scammed & extorted it's still a win in my books... "safer communities together"

Also hand over your money & vodka... forthwith

[blue rider]

Police had not determined at which speed the car travelled

A 14-year-old exchange student had just stepped off a school bus when he was hit by a car and flung 15 metres.

The teen remains in a critical condition in Christchurch Hospital after he was struck on State Highway 1, south of Christchurch, about 3.55pm yesterday.
Police said the car's speed had not yet been determined, but was part of their inquiry.

The crash was on Main South Rd, between Curraghs Rd and Weedons Ross Rd, near Rolleston.
It is a 100kmh zone. Drivers must travel 20kmh when passing a parked school bus.

I would really like to point out the fact that there is a bus stop on a highway in a hundred kilometer an hour zone, and a car or a truck or a bike or a bicycle will slow down when they see a parked school bus.

Yea, right Tui.

this is what I am talking about. The fact that there are speed limits and then there are speed limits and then there is only WTF left.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6373...bus-hit-by-car

[mossy1200]

If we wanted to prevent premature deaths we would ban fatty foods, alcohol, smokes and fun. Live long and be bored then soak up massive funds while on super crippling the country.
Its a lot wiser to tax the good stuff in the name of safety. Could be worse. At least we can hold on to our 1kph tolerance for a while.