Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[James Deuce]

Wow, what was this thread about again?

I only just caught up with this one and had to sift through 20 pages of so much shit its giving me a headache. (And here i am adding to it, i know).

Anyway, that video that Gremlin posted way back on page 3 (i think) just shows the blatant ignorance of the reason for the high death toll here. And that is simply shit drivers.
(Unfortunately this is being proved lately by an influx of Chinese tourists who cant drive for shit causing accidents left, right and centre.)

How can we make accidents less deadly, reduce the speed limit/tolerance? How about improving the driving standard so those accidents dont happen in the first place. Simple.

Its a joke how easy it is to get a licence here. Just look at the road tolls by country per capita.
Countries with higher speed limits and busier roads are staying safer because the drivers are better and they're not allowed on the road (alone) until they prove it.

Thats my rant anyway.

tl;dr

[rastuscat]

Wow, what was this thread about again?

I only just caught up with this one and had to sift through 20 pages of so much shit its giving me a headache. (And here i am adding to it, i know).

Anyway, that video that Gremlin posted way back on page 3 (i think) just shows the blatant ignorance of the reason for the high death toll here. And that is simply shit drivers.
(Unfortunately this is being proved lately by an influx of Chinese tourists who cant drive for shit causing accidents left, right and centre.)

How can we make accidents less deadly, reduce the speed limit/tolerance? How about improving the driving standard so those accidents dont happen in the first place. Simple.

Its a joke how easy it is to get a licence here. Just look at the road tolls by country per capita.
Countries with higher speed limits and busier roads are staying safer because the drivers are better and they're not allowed on the road (alone) until they prove it.

Thats my rant anyway.

Yeah.

People are really shitty drivers. Lets have them go faster.

Nice.

[Big Dog]

Yeah.

People are really shitty drivers. Lets have them go faster.

Nice.

Yeah, let's take all speed limits off everywhere.
Take all law enforcement out of the picture.

Within generation we would only have two sorts of drivers.
Those who survived because they are both good and lucky.
Those who survived because they are rich enough to buy their way out of the resulting apocalypse.

Poverty would be mostly wiped out.

Disasters are great for the production sectors of the economy too. 3 birds two stones.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[unstuck]

People are really shitty drivers.

And generally have a shitty attitude that they take out on to the roads with them. But I think that includes about 90% of the national population, my self included at times.
But I also think that being aware that you are a fuckwit increases your chances to make the necessary changes needed to become less of a fuckwit.

We all have to be honest enough to put our hands up and admit we are part of the problem, and unless we change our attitude, people are going to keep dying on the roads, regardless of the speed limit.IMO .

[Tazz]

Yeah.

People are really shitty drivers. Lets have them go faster.

Nice.

What speed is fast? On a straight or bend? Rain shine? Fiat 500 or 2014 Corolla? Driver that's racked up 500,000kms or a learner not even at 1,000?

I prefer the improved driving standard over that old chestnut to be honest.

You want people to go slower? What speed is slow? Even 20kph is still to fast for some corners so do you blanket everything to 15kph for the interests of safety on that one piece of road?

Out of interest is there a speed limit on aircraft so if there is an accident they have more time to react or do they just take their chances? (pretty left field I know...)

[rastuscat]

What speed is fast? On a straight or bend? Rain shine? Fiat 500 or 2014 Corolla? Driver that's racked up 500,000kms or a learner not even at 1,000?

I prefer the improved driving standard over that old chestnut to be honest.

Someone had to set a number that allows prompt movement without compromising safety too much.

The numbers picked are the numbers picked. We can argue they should be higher or lower, but they are what they are.

I'd prefer that people were better drivers too, way better. Wishing hasn't worked yet

[James Deuce]

If wishes were farts, I'd have a methane powered bike.

[buggerit]

If wishes were farts, I'd have a methane powered bike.

Oh yes, its all fun and games till you get a flashback.

[James Deuce]

Oh yes, its all fun and games till you get a flashback.

I don't own a Ducati. I'll be fine.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, let's take all speed limits off everywhere.
Take all law enforcement out of the picture.

Within generation we would only have two sorts of drivers.

Where that actually has been done what you end up with is fewer accidents and better behaviour, immediately.

So why aren't we doing that?

[scumdog]

Where that actually has been done what you end up with is fewer accidents and better behaviour, immediately.

So why aren't we doing that?

Yeah but we ARE talking about New Zealanders here...

[Paul in NZ]

Jeeze hold on...

We are going around in circles here but there is actually an issue to be discussed here...

I'm all for discretion being allowed to the Police officer but I draw a line at the whole 1km over idiocy... Yes there is an issue with idiots and needless aggression but getting all nuclear on 1km over isn't going to help.

I don't want to be hanging out in the passing zone for 30 mins passing a stinking great truck, I do NOT want to spend my whole life in fear of a speed camera when I actually need to be scared of a whole lot of other hazards... I'm fed up with being made to feel like somehow the road toll is my fault...

Yes of course the impact of an accident is lessened as the speed decreases... That's NOT the same thing as reducing the accident rate.

It used to be 100kph along centennial highway. There were 3 fatals in a short period of time in the same spot - two flew right off the road onto the rocks on the foreshore... One was pissed, one was fucking about with a dog in the back seat and cant remember what the 3rd was doing. I could drive my shitty starlet around there at 120kph with out a passenger raising an eyebrow and narry a squeal from the tyres.... How the hell these muppets managed to kill themselves is a mystery... So now its 80kph and wire rope barriers... Fair enough... I don't want some idiot running into me either but I did NOT kill those people - they died because they were stupid.

[Madness]

My thinking is to always ignore the speed limit when overtaking as a fine and even loss of license is a lot cheaper than risking a head on to avoid a ticket.

My thinking is that being patient and waiting for a better overtaking opportunity is sometimes easier to live with than a loss of licence too.

[James Deuce]

I'm all for discretion being allowed to the Police officer but I draw a line at the whole 1km over idiocy... Yes there is an issue with idiots and needless aggression but getting all nuclear on 1km over isn't going to help.

It isn't happening. A short chat with the National Traffic Superintendant reveals that the 1km over thing is a media beat up of the worst kind. All that was said is that the speed limit is 100 km/hr and we'd like people setting their cruise control to 110 to stop doing that please. Unlike other holiday periods recently there's been no mention of the 104 limit, yet, but I wouldn't blame them for doing that now. If you are travelling at more than 8% over the speed limit in any zone, you'll get a ticket.

And yes, this Super is one of us and he is actually a good bloke, but is rapidly developing a "fuck you cyst" in regard to the "media".

If you do get pulled over, for goodness sake, don't fail the attitude test or one may find oneself in possesion of a ticket for 1km/h over.

[FJRider]

...is it still possible to get a ticket below the new tolerance?

It is possible to get a ticket BELOW the posted speed limit.

The "Enforcers" call it dangerous driving ... Road/weather/traffic conditions can make ANY posted speed limit a stupid objective ....