Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[pete376403]

He only rode into park. Parked up to see his girlfriend. Ticket has something like -
potential to cause injury/cause annoyance/cause damage.


An excessive total for the ticket.

Thats a pretty open ended charge - there is very little you can do with a vehicle that doesn't have potential to cause those things.

[speedpro]

A simple analysis of the causes of accidents sees the same reasons time after time.

Speeding. After the "simple" analysis that seems to be the only reason put forward.

Of course if the road toll is lower than at some other period then that is used to verify the effectiveness of whatever was being focused on, which mainly seems to be reducing speed. Less speed = lower road toll. Therefore a lower speed limit or tolerance is good and justified. We've seen this over recent years.

Of course, equally, if the road toll is "not" lower than at some other period then that is used to validate the argument that we need to further reduce the speed limit or tolerance. Either way the stats are used to justify further draconian measures.

Nothing else seems to be considered. Certainly no factors other than speed are so regularly quoted. I've always thought some way of measuring fleet miles travelled over the periods in question would be useful when considering road toll stats. Of course if for some reason, like a sudden huge increase in fuel costs, not many people actually hit the road but the road toll was exactly the same then per person per mile travelled the toll would be worse. Weather plays a big part in the number of fleet miles travelled, especially for the 3-day weekend type breaks, so a significant toll reduction on such a break when the weather caused a reduction in numbers of those travelling would be irrelevant without taking account of miles travelled. Without a monitored GPS device in every vehicle though the miles travelled is hard to determine. An idea I had is to record the fuel used nationally over the monitored period. Given that distance is recorded at WOF time it shouldn't be difficult to determine the average fleet distance travelled annually and estimate the distance the fleet travels over say the Christmas holidays.

I look forward to hearing the spin put on it all. As was said by someone - Statistics can be used to prove whatever you want, OR there's lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[200BUSA]

Thats a pretty open ended charge - there is very little you can do with a vehicle that doesn't have potential to cause those things.

If he been acting like an idiot i would tell him to pay ticket and dont do it again. But he only rode into empty park to see GF. But cop seems to be going over the top. Have to go to court we think.

[Madness]

Arrogant cop and 600 bucks for riding on path(which he probably shouldnt of done) just to park up and see his girlfriend. Arent tickets for not wearing seatbelt, no Reg/Wof cheaper than 600?

According to the following web pages it should have been $150 Infringement Fee for riding on the footpath. Is there something else on the ticket perhaps?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...est/whole.html - Scroll down and look for 2.13
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303057.html

[BlackSheepLogic]

If he been acting like an idiot i would tell him to pay ticket and dont do it again. But he only rode into empty park to see GF. But cop seems to be going over the top. Have to go to court we think.

The trouble is that you were not there so you may not have the full story of what he actually did. It is not uncommon for teenagers to leave out some pertinent details.

[FJRider]

Neighbour to park complained to Police they came round - were nice at the start but changed tune when we asked for proof of what they said he did. Arrogant cop and 600 bucks for riding on path(which he probably shouldnt of done) just to park up and see his girlfriend. Arent tickets for not wearing seatbelt, no Reg/Wof cheaper than 600?
Cop thinks young smart arse guy, learner on scooter i will show you i have more authority than you.
Wouldnt listen to sons reason. Cop also said he was doing donuts on grassed area. We took photos at park and no grass damage - neighbour to park complaining,lying to get kids in trouble.
Highway guys good to deal with -normal officers (chch)not so good.

If your son said yes sir/no sir/sorry sir ... right from the start ... (and if said scooter was fully legal and no booze was involved and NO damage done) your son would most likely been allowed to go on his merry way. Possibly with a (written) warning ...

He didn't ... and (Police) discretion was never availed ...

[roogazza]

He said "we" can do a lot more, referring to the motoring public.

It's really easy to just point the finger at the Popo, when it's us that can make the difference (us, with me wearing my Joe Public hat)

rastuscat, I'm really not sure Police can make a difference past a certain point, whether the 'we', was public or Police.
In the end humans have to stop making errors or mistakes and thats a big call.

[R650R]

Usually have a good run if pulled up for speeding -one ticket in last 20 years. Cops usually good to deal with. So easy to keep to the limit but we always just want to give the bike a good squirt and thats when we get pinged. But my son got a $600 ticket for riding his scooter on walkway in local park. Neighbour to park complained to Police they came round - were nice at the start but changed tune when we asked for proof of what they said he did. Arrogant cop and 600 bucks for riding on path(which he probably shouldnt of done) just to park up and see his girlfriend. Arent tickets for not wearing seatbelt, no Reg/Wof cheaper than 600?
Cop thinks young smart arse guy, learner on scooter i will show you i have more authority than you.
Wouldnt listen to sons reason. Cop also said he was doing donuts on grassed area. We took photos at park and no grass damage - neighbour to park complaining,lying to get kids in trouble.
Highway guys good to deal with -normal officers (chch)not so good.

Everyone thinks their little kids are angels but I think your prob not being told the full story here, prob got lippy with the cop.
There was a kid around here doing same thing and about 50k on footpath, couldn't be arsed calling cops as knew that Darwin would take care of things soon enough in a better way. The same kid was one of the ones in news while back for shooting another kid with air rifle. His parents seem ok people but don't know what to do I guess and it seems the brush with the law did nothing...
Lots of pedestrian traffic in my street and lots of young people doing dumb stuff, they always seem to get away with warning. I don't think a cop would risk his reputation on an unneeded ticket.

A friend actually does same mini bike thing with his kids but supervised. The problem is if unchecked the next stage is the YZ450 being wheeled down there and running over some granny etc...
If you can afford a mini bike you can afford a trailer and the gas to take them down the river bank or go cart track.

[haydes55]

He said "we" can do a lot more, referring to the motoring public.



It's really easy to just point the finger at the Popo, when it's us that can make the difference (us, with me wearing my Joe Public hat)

I'm doing everything I can to not die, I'm the criminal. People who can't drive for shit and actual have fatal crashes are, for the most part, law abiding citizens because they don't speed.

Hundreds of thousands of speeders are ticketed each year, with no justification of whether their actions were dangerous, meanwhile thousands of unskilled drivers are given their lifetime licenses and think they are amazing drivers, who don't need training, or to consider anyone else's lives, while driving. They don't get tickets.

Change who you target, change the road toll.

I've driven through otahuhu..... When these guys go on holiday, and drive the same way, but on the open road, people die.

[R650R]

I've driven through otahuhu..... When these guys go on holiday, and drive the same way, but on the open road, people die.

You should have stopped and said hello, lots of nice people there, used to hand unload alcohol to the shops there. Otahuhu is quite a nice area, now around the corner in Wymondley its another story....
So now its PI's that are causing the road toll... I don't think so but lets run with it....

So Happy Holiday PI family is cruising over to the Coromandel for a holiday that they won on big Wednesday ( running with your stereotypes to keep it 'real' for you), now for the most part PI familys Honda Odessy is attracting no attention and the driving is ok. MR PI works longs hours though to feed his 8 kids and send the oldest one to UNI so he eventually dozes off and drifts slightly over the centreline.
Now your coming the other way through a big sweeping long corner and your doing 130k as your a good rider aye, ready for anything. You see him coming across but don't think its a problem, just one of those lazy centreline cutters. You don't back off the gas, this your side of the road and you have the right to be doing 130k.
But he keeps coming across and your options to do something expire...

Now which part of that equation do the police have a tool to effectively give you an option to save yourself???

Thinking your a better driver/rider than everyone else is fast way to come to grief. If your going to go fast (which I do sometimes) you have to accept it is dangerous and reduces your options when someone else stuffs up.
Just like a great ninja warrior you have to respect your opponent to win, if you disregard the dangers as no consequence you will fail....

[swbarnett]

Now which part of that equation do the police have a tool to effectively give you an option to save yourself???

Neither. AFAIK cops ticket "speeders" mostly on straight roads.

Your example has little to do with speed. It's about an idiot motorcyclist that doesn't get off the gas and haul up at the first sign of trouble.

Thinking your a better driver/rider than everyone else is fast way to come to grief.

Very true. The trick is not to compare yourself with anyone.

If your going to go fast (which I do sometimes) you have to accept it is dangerous and reduces your options when someone else stuffs up.

Fast for the conditions - yes. Over the posted speed limit - not necessarily.

Remember also that a distracted driver/rider at any speed is one hell of a lot more dangerous than an attentive driver/rider moderately above the speed limit.

Just like a great ninja warrior you have to respect your opponent to win, if you disregard the dangers as no consequence you will fail....

Exactly.

[AllanB]

Dang - I may end up with a trailer hitched on the car in a few weeks for the annual family holiday. 90km per hour trailer limit ........ still fuel economy will be OK


Hey - question then, Mossy hitches a motorcycle trailer on the back of his bike and I've seen a few around - I presume that also reduces their legal speed to 90?

[awayatc]

He said "we" can do a lot more, referring to the motoring public.

It's really easy to just point the finger at the Popo, when it's us that can make the difference (us, with me wearing my Joe Public hat)

That is goodwill you guys lost when you declared us your public enemy number 1....
Can't have it both ways....

I have saved many a cops arse in the past.....
trained the fucks even in all manners to do with physical conflict...
different times,
Different life..
now?....
wouldn't cross the road to piss on your face if your eyebrows caught fire.....

police can't operate in a vacuum so stop trying.....
I.e. tell your headshed to get fucked, or get fucked yourself....

happy new year...!

[RDJ]

Heading south on the Sporty, middle of lane, just before Sanson en route to P Nth... when a 'plainclothes' (?Japanese) police car (grey s/w) pulled out of the northbound queue w/all lights flashing - northbound just outside the Sanson 50k zone and using up half of what I'd previously regarded as 'my' lane. Last seen going north at a high rate of knots... Have to wonder if he/she even saw a rider in the oncoming lane...

[haydes55]

You should have stopped and said hello, lots of nice people there, used to hand unload alcohol to the shops there. Otahuhu is quite a nice area, now around the corner in Wymondley its another story....

So now its PI's that are causing the road toll... I don't think so but lets run with it....



So Happy Holiday PI family is cruising over to the Coromandel for a holiday that they won on big Wednesday ( running with your stereotypes to keep it 'real' for you), now for the most part PI familys Honda Odessy is attracting no attention and the driving is ok. MR PI works longs hours though to feed his 8 kids and send the oldest one to UNI so he eventually dozes off and drifts slightly over the centreline.

Now your coming the other way through a big sweeping long corner and your doing 130k as your a good rider aye, ready for anything. You see him coming across but don't think its a problem, just one of those lazy centreline cutters. You don't back off the gas, this your side of the road and you have the right to be doing 130k.

But he keeps coming across and your options to do something expire...



Now which part of that equation do the police have a tool to effectively give you an option to save yourself???



Thinking your a better driver/rider than everyone else is fast way to come to grief. If your going to go fast (which I do sometimes) you have to accept it is dangerous and reduces your options when someone else stuffs up.

Just like a great ninja warrior you have to respect your opponent to win, if you disregard the dangers as no consequence you will fail....

When did I say islanders or people movers were the issue? Where did I say they weren't nice guys? I was saying last time I drove through there, a Honda civic from the 80s indicated left in the center lane, then turned right on a red light, cars didn't wait for a gap in traffic and just pushed in, cars just generally didn't follow any road rule. Are you the racist one for jumping to conclusions? From what I said, you presumed I was talking about a race. Read my post agai.