Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[pete376403]

Yep but maybe the cruise control (like my vehicle) is out by about 5 km's on the car with the trailor. Seen much much worse than this!!

C/control attempts to maintain whatever speed you set it to. so if your speedo is reading 5- 8 slow, thats what you'll get. Maybe the bus's speed limiter is set more accurately.

[Scuba_Steve]

C/control attempts to maintain whatever speed you set it to. so if your speedo is reading 5- 8 slow, thats what you'll get. Maybe the bus's speed limiter is set more accurately.

But cruise control on alot of vehicles also runs on a +/- like air con, i.e. If cc is set to 100 it may let you drop to 90 or raise to 110. Fords tended to have the best cc for keeping you at the right speed, Toymotas won't slow you down when you go over your set speed (well at-least the highlanders we hired didn't) whereas da Ford would brake if you got 5km/h faster than set i.e down a hill

[mada]

Watched that video, fucking disgusting that intercity appear to have changed their colour theme.

That's the drivers gripe right?

[BlackSheepLogic]

But cruise control on alot of vehicles also runs on a +/- like air con, i.e. If cc is set to 100 it may let you drop to 90 or raise to 110. Fords tended to have the best cc for keeping you at the right speed, Toymotas won't slow you down when you go over your set speed (well at-least the highlanders we hired didn't) whereas da Ford would brake if you got 5km/h faster than set i.e down a hill

Speedometer in my wife's car is analogue but the cruise control speed set piont is digital. If cruise set point is 100km/h the analogue speedometer reads ~105km/h. Car electronics is making some allowance for the inbuilt inaccuracy in the analogue speedometer. GPS indicates 100km/h when the car's analogue speedometer reads little under 110km/h.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJveCBanB4

[awa355]

Dont know if this has reared its ugly head before, but could be something for the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7803997.stm

[Berries]

Intelligent Speed Adaptation, or ISA, is something that is on the table here, just have a look at Safer Journeys. We are quite a few years behind some countries (that link was five years old) but it wouldn't take much to implement and would certainly take the pressure off the enforcement side of things.

Intelligent speed adaptation.

Sucks big time though IMO. Might as well get a car..............

[swbarnett]

Intelligent Speed Adaptation, or ISA, is something that is on the table here, just have a look at Safer Journeys. We are quite a few years behind some countries (that link was five years old) but it wouldn't take much to implement and would certainly take the pressure off the enforcement side of things.

Intelligent speed adaptation.

Sucks big time though IMO. Might as well get a car..............

My problem with mandatory speed adaptation is that there are times when breaking the speed limit is the only way to stay alive.

One of the more dramatic examples of this was when Mt. St. Helens erupted. Of two scientists on the mountain at the time the driver doing 100mph survived. The one one doing 70mph didn't. Both well above the posted speed limit.

I've had far less dramatic cases in the past where breaking to avoid an accident was not a good option and if I'd been restricted to 50kph I would've been hit.

[GrayWolf]

There is no conspiracy behind trucks getting preffered over rail, its simple economic factors. I agree it was a bad decision by Labour to privatise and sell off the rail originally, blowing away 18,000 jobs in the process. That kick started the crime problems and welfare dependency in this country. It would have been much better to keep paying people to do their jobs even if they were making a loss.
But it would have made little difference to the trucks on our roads today.
A lot of trucks are basically 'couriers' on our open highways even if not signwritten as DHL or postehaste etc.... There is so much stuff these days that is made/picked/packed/imported at the last minute these days and the customer NEEDS it tomorrow. The cut off, turnaround times and double handling means Rail couldn't take over modern freight even if it was mandated to.
And there isn't the land available these days for the railheads/shunting yards/sorting depo to make it work. Our former Railyards now have a PaknSave there....
A lot of the big trucks direct deliver their stuff to supermarkets/factories while your asleep. If it all came by rail there would be a tidal wave of metro trucks running around the city causing havoc. That and all the extra delays at the barrier arms (most cities with rail seem to be cut in half by it) would be worse than an occasional delay on open road.

As for damaging the roads, there have been some major improvements and widening of shoulders etc lately thanks to pressure from truck and cycle lobby groups. I bet some of this has already saved various car and biker lives without them realise when they've nodded off or had to swerve etc....

yes a lot of 'trucking' is 'courier' business really... however, there is still a vast amount of heavy, non urgent freight that could be shipped by rail cheaper, and with far less wear n tear on the roading system. Logging is onee area rail does extremely well compared to trucks..... just work out the cost of trucking 1600- 2000 tonnes of logs, compared to one freight train

[caspernz]

yes a lot of 'trucking' is 'courier' business really... however, there is still a vast amount of heavy, non urgent freight that could be shipped by rail cheaper, and with far less wear n tear on the roading system. Logging is onee area rail does extremely well compared to trucks..... just work out the cost of trucking 1600- 2000 tonnes of logs, compared to one freight train

In essence, and it's only an opinion based on my experiences and observations...road freight seems too cheap, for too many firms fight over contracts and then end up paying drivers peanuts, or go bust on a rate that didn't actually work. The approach to rail in this country seems a little off, it's not meant to be a stand-alone money making entity, it works rather well when the big picture is taken into account. Investment in rail reduces the number of trucks, this pays for itself in less wear and tear on roads, less congestion, less exposure to risk. But yeah, that's my European thinking for you. And heck, I accept my thinking may be wrong.

And as a regular on the Auckland to Mt Maunganui road, both for work and family reasons...the number of containers moved on that road by swarms of crappy trucks, that sort of stuff belongs on the train one would reasonably think?!

[R650R]

yes a lot of 'trucking' is 'courier' business really... however, there is still a vast amount of heavy, non urgent freight that could be shipped by rail cheaper, and with far less wear n tear on the roading system. Logging is onee area rail does extremely well compared to trucks..... just work out the cost of trucking 1600- 2000 tonnes of logs, compared to one freight train

Right I'm going to have to start a proper in depth thread on the weekend to explain it better....

But that 'vast' amount of freight that could be shipped 'cheaper'.... lets look at where you are in Wellington for example. Now you have a good setup for passenger rail but where is all that 'vast' amount of freight going to get unloaded and put out onto little trucks to be delivered. Can you imagine the tsunami of trucks climbing Ngaranga gorge to deliver up the road to petone, Johnsonville etc in the morning. For the average person a big shift to rail freight in NZ would result in exposure to more trucks and more congestion. The kiwi work ethic means a lot of big trucks direct deliver stuff during the night when the roads are empty. Picture all the courier vans you already see and imagine tenfold more but six wheeler trucks instead amongst your morning commute.
Yes sometimes logs go by rail from consolidation points to the mills but check out the terrain of the east coast. Kiwirails own report says no skid site is more than 73km away from the nearest timber mill or port. It doesn't make economic sense to double handle it 20km or so to rail head (which would have to be constructed and require extra log handling machinery, staff etc)......

[R650R]

In essence, and it's only an opinion based on my experiences and observations...road freight seems too cheap, for too many firms fight over contracts and then end up paying drivers peanuts, or go bust on a rate that didn't actually work. The approach to rail in this country seems a little off, it's not meant to be a stand-alone money making entity, it works rather well when the big picture is taken into account. Investment in rail reduces the number of trucks, this pays for itself in less wear and tear on roads, less congestion, less exposure to risk. But yeah, that's my European thinking for you. And heck, I accept my thinking may be wrong.

And as a regular on the Auckland to Mt Maunganui road, both for work and family reasons...the number of containers moved on that road by swarms of crappy trucks, that sort of stuff belongs on the train one would reasonably think?!

Part of the problem I think is too many of the owners siphon off the profits into their big boys toy collections.... paying someone decent money is only about one pallet space worth of revenue on a decent linehaul run.
And then theres the 'lifestyle' truckers who will work for nothing to drive the shiney wheels.
Not for me to worry about, my new trolley has painted wheels so no polishing, only has 4 axles and pay is better for local work than what many are getting here for linehaul in old cop magnet trucks....

[Scuba_Steve]

Part of the problem I think is too many of the owners siphon off the profits into their big boys toy collections.... paying someone decent money is only about one pallet space worth of revenue on a decent linehaul run.
And then theres the 'lifestyle' truckers who will work for nothing to drive the shiney wheels.
Not for me to worry about, my new trolley has painted wheels so no polishing, only has 4 axles and pay is better for local work than what many are getting here for linehaul in old cop magnet trucks....

Pay & moneys is part the reason Trucks win out over trains, train drivers avg 1.5x as much as the truckies, trains take alot more people to operate (all too on decent wages) as the driver doesn't unload & it's not direct, and not being direct also means trucks have to be involved anyways
So yea, for alot more money you could stop a few longhauls going down SH1/SH2 but is it really worth it? The open road is (or should be) built to take them & the person that was holding them up is still out there holding everyone else up, I guess the only difference is now you can see the real cause of the congestion instead of assuming it's the truck holding everyone up

[caspernz]

Pay & moneys is part the reason Trucks win out over trains, train drivers avg 1.5x as much as the truckies, trains take alot more people to operate (all too on decent wages) as the driver doesn't unload & it's not direct, and not being direct also means trucks have to be involved anyways
So yea, for alot more money you could stop a few longhauls going down SH1/SH2 but is it really worth it? The open road is (or should be) built to take them & the person that was holding them up is still out there holding everyone else up, I guess the only difference is now you can see the real cause of the congestion instead of assuming it's the truck holding everyone up

Nah, wages for the train crew aren't the core issue Scoober. Look at it in the sense of tonnage or cubes moved per crew, trains will always win. The trick is in applying the bulk moves by train correctly. Even in this country, with hilly windy rail, one train will move at least 30 truck loads in one hit. The sad part is that our rail network hasn't had enough investment over time, then add in deregulation

And if you knew how many flash linehaul trucks travel on that express sesame street routine only partly loaded...one would think partial regulation could benefit the country as a whole

[Waihou Thumper]

Must be a great job hiding in the bushes spying on farmers. Wonder how you get on to that lark.

All of that money spent in court getting there for a fine they will never see? Seems a bit pointless to me....
The sharemilkers don't even earn enough off the milk solids after take home...
Mind you, I think the poor attitude of the couple did it for them...