Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[husaberg]

Stat's from the USA are relevant in the USA. But we are in NZ. Interesting to compare the two separate cultures involved ... but I wouldn't go as far as stating their stat's are relevant.



If you choose to expect "Right of Way" when "The Law" requires you to get it ... be prepared for disappointment ... it's not always going to happen. If you do the macho "I have my rights" thing ... it will hurt. As I said ... not always ... but if you want to live ... that's the way to bet.

Fault becomes irrelevant when you're sliding down the road on your ass ...

FJ the US stats say the same as the NZ ones do within 2%.US stats say 66% NZ says 64% of Accidents involving bikes and other vehicles are the fault of the other car driver.
Fault is relevant esp when they bang on about the Trucks and Bikes being so dangerous as they are so high in the stats when its the Car drivers negligence.

[pritch]

Thats the biggest biker myth ever.

True, it's caused by a misreading of the statistics. In most accidents involving a car and a bike the car is at fault. The majority of bike accidents though are single vehicle accidents so we can't blame a car. There was a recent thread that eventually arrived at the right answer.

[FJRider]

... Fault is relevant esp when they bang on about the Trucks and Bikes being so dangerous as they are so high in the stats when its the Car drivers negligence.

You mean car drivers stupidity ... Truckies are usually the ones driving within the law and THEIR speed limit. Try to tango with 40 tonnes plus ... it wont/can't end well ...

If you are seen to be giving way ... regardless of it being your responsibility to ... or not ... you cant be seen to be at fault. I give way to trucks too ... very healthy to ... I want to live longer.

I want to see a change in the motorcycle death statistics for next year ... (Give way and live) and at the very least ... and not be part of the statistics. Well ... not part of deaths or accident statistics anyway.

[husaberg]

You mean car drivers stupidity ... Truckies are usually the ones driving within the law and THEIR speed limit. Try to tango with 40 tonnes plus ... it wont/can't end well ...

If you are seen to be giving way ... regardless of it being your responsibility to ... or not ... you cant be seen to be at fault. I give way to trucks too ... very healthy to ... I want to live longer.

I want to see a change in the motorcycle death statistics for next year ... (Give way and live) and at the very least ... and not be part of the statistics. Well ... not part of deaths or accident statistics anyway.

FJ go back to what i wrote.

Most people that die on motorbikes are as a result of car drivers mistakes so think of those courses as being practical defensive driving courses.ie survival skills
its the same with Car vs truck its generally not the trucks fault but car drivers who hit trucks generally die Yet with cars who hit bikes its the rider that normally dies.
Both are over represented in road deaths but its mostly not their fault.
As i said earlier speed is the easiest to police but when the cameras started out they were meant to be in black spot areas unfortunately they have never applied them like this.
Our company actively manage speed and aggressive driving with tracking, it works at lowering the accident rate plus as a side benefit saves fuel plus wear and tear on tyres and vehicles

I should have wrote the first bit clearer but read the second sentences

[FJRider]

FJ go back to what i wrote.

Why ... it's Bullshit ... in my opinion anyway ... but you are entitled to your opinion. Even when you are wrong.

Look up motorcycle deaths in Vietnam. Compare there wit the great USA ... you might learn something ...

[husaberg]

Why ... it's Bullshit ... in my opinion anyway ... but you are entitled to your opinion. Even when you are wrong.

Look up motorcycle deaths in Vietnam. Compare there wit the great USA ... you might learn something ...

So the US stats are in your opinion bullshit and not relevant to NZ, okay..............Are the NZ stats in your opinion relevant to NZ because as i said they say the same thing
US stats

Conducted by USC Professor Harry Hunt a
When motorcycles are involved in crashes with another vehicle(s), the other vehicle(s) is found to have violated the biker’s right-of-way and be at fault for the collision in more than 66% of those accidents.

NZ stats

Bikes VS car (64 percent) of the crashes that involve a collision with another vehicle, it is the other vehicle that has the primary responsibility for the crash

they say the same thing with 2%
ps i said go back to what i wrote as you appear to be misrepresenting what i said about trucks

[FJRider]

So the NZ stats are in your opinion bullshit and not relevant to NZ, okay..............
ps i said go back to what i wrote as you appear to be misrepresenting what i said about trucks

Definition of statistics ...

the practice or science of collecting and analysing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample.

https://www.google.com/search?q=defi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Or ... Alternative ideas

: Statistics means never having to say you're certain.

: Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

: He uses statistics like a drunken man uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination.

Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable.

: If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.

My personal favorite ... worth thinking about ...

To find out what happens when you change something, it is necessary to change it.


Perhaps ... to change the stat's ... changes need to be made. What needs to be changed first ... behavior or attitude's ... ???

[husaberg]

Definition of statistics ...

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That cool but seeing as you have no actual basis to form your opinion that the accident stats in both NZ and the USA are wrong, whatever else you say is an opinion based on it seems solely your own opinion.
Also considering you dont actually read what i wrote before you claim to disagree with it, i would not say your opinion is that sound.

[FJRider]

That cool but seeing as you have no actual basis to form your opinion that the accident stats in both NZ and the USA are wrong, whatever else you say is an opinion based on it seems solely your own opinion.
Also considering you dont actually read what i wrote before you claim to disagree with it, i would not say your opinion is that sound.

Statistics are coincidences that have happened in the past. The one thing people learn from statistics is ... people don't and wont learn.

[husaberg]

Statistics are coincidences that have happened in the past. The one thing people learn from statistics is ... people don't and wont learn.

Well as you are not able to see what may be in your future by looking back i suggest you remove your rear view mirrors then.
A fool and his money are soon parted but a fool and his opinion stay together their whole life.

[Trade_nancy]

You mean car drivers stupidity ... Truckies are usually the ones driving within the law and THEIR speed limit. Try to tango with 40 tonnes plus ... it wont/can't end well ...

If you are seen to be giving way ... regardless of it being your responsibility to ... or not ... you cant be seen to be at fault. I give way to trucks too ... very healthy to ... I want to live longer.

I want to see a change in the motorcycle death statistics for next year ... (Give way and live) and at the very least ... and not be part of the statistics. Well ... not part of deaths or accident statistics anyway.

And be talking on a cellphone like a lot of them as they turn their truck and trailers through a busy intersection...

[FJRider]

And be talking on a cellphone like a lot of them as they turn their truck and trailers through a busy intersection...

Why did you think I give way to them ... ???

[Vinz0r]

So (a) how many have got tickets for 1kph over the speed limit?

And (b) does not a lower speed at time of impact not ( generally) result in less damage to all concerned?

Of course it does, but I think the argument is that there are better ways to reduce the road toll than a strong focus on strict enforcement of the speed limit.

[FJRider]

Well as you are not able to see what may be in your future by looking back i suggest you remove your rear view mirrors then.
A fool and his money are soon parted but a fool and his opinion stay together their whole life.

Perhaps ... I prefer my own interpretation on what happened. Not another's interpretation on how it could be explained.

Rear view mirrors are for pussies ... what is behind is NOT important. It is what is AHEAD that will be of more danger to you.

Hint ... what is ahead is future. Behind is history. Don't let history catch up ...

[FJRider]

Of course it does, but I think the argument is that there are better ways to reduce the road toll than a strong focus on strict enforcement of the speed limit.

So ... fitting better brakes to slow you more ... is NOT the solution ... who would have thunk that ...