Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Dean]

But 30 km/h on Franklin Road??? So why did they spend all that money on traffic calming when they could have just reduced the limit?

Mainly because they need to spend budget.

I’m guessing Franklin road traffic calming measures were constructed just before the end of fiscal year (May/June)...

And also because invasive speed measures work.
People don’t tend to heed signs, however try going 50kph over a speed hump.

[jellywrestler]

When everyone was forced to stay home, sleeping in, she was off to work at 6.30am on an empty road, a cop pulls her over for doing 58kpm in a 50 zone. A deserted 50kph zone. She was in her medical garb, she's off to work to help sick people. He writes her a ticket for going 8 over. Just when the whole nation was in need of compassion and understanding and all our Government were asking us to 'be kind and considerate'. Clearly he missed that message.

she must be a boomer with a sense of entitlement then.

[Dean]

Boomers are the ones who created and enforce zero tolerance rules.

Us Millennials don’t buy into that garbage.

[caspernz]

I don't have a particular problem with speed enforcement as long as the letter of the law is applied with a modicum of common sense. It's a useful tool to help rein in stupidity by members of the motoring public but it's no more than a band aid. Vehicle performance coupled with all the modern distractions and general pace of life has probably widened the gap between the actual riding and driving proficiency required and what is being formally taught to acquire a license. Politicians probably regard a mandated rise in standards as political suicide but until that nettle is grasped, initiatives like this will only be an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff. Over the last 2 or 3 years on KB, I've noticed a real increase in the acceptance of on-going upskilling which is great. Initiatives like R4E have helped in this respect. However, I doubt that the same enthusiasm would be reflected in the general motoring public and maybe it's time to start thinking outside the box to address the wider issue than just punitive means.

Lack of political willpower is a big problem in this arena. Got no beef with speed limits being enforced. Got a problem with speed being the only aspect being enforced with enthusiasm, at least that's my perception.
It's a shame when the driver licensing reform bill is sitting in some politicians' drawer, and yes it'll only address some of the aspects, but it's a start.
As you mentioned Geoff, a mandated lift in standards would indeed be a nasty nettle to grasp for a politician.

Personal accountability is missing in a large portion of the motoring public though, and combined with enforcement being "missing in action" to a large degree, the average motorist has become rather casual in driving/riding to a standard.
Just looking at this from a riding perspective, my take on the average rider is simple: Too fast for the conditions, following too close and not looking far enough ahead.
The irony is that a portion of Ride Forever participants would fail the current licence test, and these are folks who came along to improve. On that note, and just my observation, the vast majority of riders who've gone thru the CBTA system are far safer riders than most who've been self-taught and had a licence for decades. Hence the focus on longer term riders by ACC, it's eminently valid.
I'm all for a mandatory resit of licence test every 5 or 10 years, but then I've always seen the holding of a driver licence as a privilege rather than a right.

I'll be brutally honest here and say that I ride for the adrenaline rush it gives me and unfortunately this is often incompatible with the national speed limit. I suspect most people with a modern sports bike are the same, either that or they are hypocrites. There is a time and a place for 'making progress', luckily it is still possible to find both on my daily ride.

My only speeding ticket was in a car. I still blame the bloody kids for that one.

There's a time and place for a bit of speed, and yes I suspect most of us with modern sports bikes fall into this category, I won't be a hypocrite on that.

My last speeding ticket was around 15 years ago. Dead of night, trucking along, long stretch of long term roadworks which had loooong 70 km/h approach zones. Coming out of the works on the downhill, long left the 30 km/h zone, in the 70 and let the retarder off with open road sign barely a hundred metres up the road. Pinged at 75 in a 70 and yep cash register from Taihape got me...so since then I've been that "slow" trucker in roadworks

[Hoonicorn]

"There’s lots of evidence to suggest if you target that bracket of 1 to 10kmh above the posted speed limit, that [has] the greatest impact on reducing the mean speed across the region... Reducing speed reduces the severity of crashes – it’s an undeniable truth,” Welch said.

Sure, reducing speed reduces the damage to your car when a dickhead cuts into your lane less than a metre in front of you, but it's the dickheads that are the problem. THey'll get impatient when everyone is going a few Ks under the limit and erratically switch lanes and drive like... well, like dickheads. However, zero-tolerances just mean more focus on watching your speed and less focus on watching the road ahead and catching those warning signs that the dickhead head jumping lanes is about to cut you off.

If any of you watch the Aussie dashcams on youtube, spotting hazards early is what prevents most accidents.

[george formby]

Just had a wee chat with a local fiery about a reduced speed limit - 100kmh > 80kmh - on a local road. It's not particularly twisty, generally good visibility and rural.

I asked him what the most common time for accident call outs was on this road...

Between 11pm and 3am, almost always a single vehicle accident, usually involving impairment or just a slow driver in a fast car (hoon).

So due to the local hoons, a perfectly normal bit of road is now deemed dangerous and speeds reduced. I doubt the speed limit change or zero tolerance policy will have any effect on these midnight scenery visits.

[MD]

she must be a boomer with a sense of entitlement then.

Ha. So from your high chair of sainthood you preach as if you have never exceeded a speed limit by 8kph. She's probably too young to be a boomer by the way. Entitled? Lets see. She would have given up 7 years of her youth to study medicine so she can help people. She's no doubt paid enough taxes to pave most of the roads around your neighbourhood and some. So yeah she has a right to use the road and deserve an ounce of discretion when the circumstances justify it.

[jellywrestler]

Ha. So from your high chair of sainthood you preach as if you have never exceeded a speed limit by 8kph. She's probably too young to be a boomer by the way. Entitled? Lets see. She would have given up 7 years of her youth to study medicine so she can help people. She's no doubt paid enough taxes to pave most of the roads around your neighbourhood and some. So yeah she has a right to use the road and deserve an ounce of discretion when the circumstances justify it.

never winged about getting a speeding ticket, do the crime do the time it's not like it isn't advertised about.

[Dean]

Sounds like 7 years of learning how to medically assist those that she is putting in danger from her reckless driving over the speed limit.

[george formby]

I'd love to see civil disobedience attacks on cameras like they do in the UK - hanging burning tyres over the Gatsos.

Do you have a Ford Ranger?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-pl...ectid=12360581

[rastuscat]

Poor timing of this inevitable approach. The nation is suffering from a global pandemic. 2020 will go down as one of the most miserable years in many peoples lives, lost lives, lost jobs, lost freedoms (travel and the like). Right now the Government need the people on side more than ever. We need to work as a team (yeah I hate that team of 5m line too). So this move will just turn people off 'cooperating' with the authorities.

A case that really annoyed me was in the 1st week of lockdown my Wife's boss is a Doctor, a really nice woman. When everyone was forced to stay home, sleeping in, she was off to work at 6.30am on an empty road, a cop pulls her over for doing 58kpm in a 50 zone. A deserted 50kph zone. She was in her medical garb, she's off to work to help sick people. He writes her a ticket for going 8 over. Just when the whole nation was in need of compassion and understanding and all our Government were asking us to 'be kind and considerate'. Clearly he missed that message.

I don't suppose $30 will challenge her salary much.

[MD]

Sounds like 7 years of learning how to medically assist those that she is putting in danger from her reckless driving over the speed limit.

I had to wait until the laughing stopped hurting. 58kph being described as reckless driving.

[BMWGSER]

Attachment 305951...you have been warned!

FUCK...THEM!

NZ mechanical standards LAW, clearly states that speedo's must be accurate within a 10% margin...and allowances MUST be made for this fact & LAW!

...currently, if you disbute the ticket for a BULLSHIT! amount over the speed limit...you can ONLY go to a police approved "Speedo Testin facility"(...of which there are only THREE in the country!)...and the cost to prove your speedo was out...is over $300!!, so this actually means that the tickets cannot be legally defended in court by the average motorist....which every Kiwi has A RIGHT! to do so.

This is a BLATANT scam by the Govt & police to generate more "unqustionable" revenue from the avergae road user...NOTHING MORE!!!(Move the goal posts much??)

Again, they have twisted the figures to met there own greedy agenda.

REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE TICKET!!...you have the RIGHT to defend yourself in court, make them post the ticket and clearly state, "I will be disbuting this ticket officer, as this has NOTHING to do with roadsafety, and you have limited my means to defend myself...see you in court!"

If EVERYONE!!!!, does this, the courts will be crippled by the influx of case's...the cost's will soar, more and more police will be held up in court, and the whole BS scheme will have to be scrapped as it will cost MORE to collect the fines, than the revenue created!....fight back!!, use there own Bullshit systems against them.

enough is enough!, we are NOT an endless source of revenue for this Greedy Govt...FIGHT FUCKING BACK!!


REFUSE THE TICKETS!!

NZ Police...whom do you serve??, the PEOPLE of NZ?...or just those in power or Rich enough to afford "NZ justice"! (But by all means, keep pushing!...No seriously!...just keep fucking pushing us!!...theres only 18k of you!...best you lot don't forget THAT! fucking figure...you tax collectiing sellouts!)



Have a great Xmas NZ...don't forget to bring your ID & Wallets!


ps-I Have always had the greatest respect for the police and the difficult job they do(And I have taken MANY a beating backing there arse up when I ran Bars etc all over NZ)...but recently, the force seems to have changed for the worse!...more & more young, tattooed up, angry, violent, short tempered power tripping thugs! seem to be joining the force (And are encouraged to do so..."to dumb to pass the math test?...HELL!, best we lower it then, we don't need "intellectuals" anyway...just THUGS!")....well Im over it!, they wanna alienate themselves from the average Kiwi by treating us as ignorant fools who can't see BULLSHIT & BLATANT revenue collection when its put in front of us...fine!, ITS THERE LOSS!

- you reap what you sow! (And all there planting lately...is discontempt!)


-RANT OFFICALLY OVER

They post tickets out now anyway. Good point about the 10% speedo accuracy for WOF. Just defend every ticket. Don’t argue with the cop , take down details ,rego of his car , time ,location .If 40,60,70.80. Speed limits photos of signs and distance apart and check with regulations.

[jellywrestler]

They post tickets out now anyway. Good point about the 10% speedo accuracy for WOF. .

they removed that when someone pointed out how can they run to a 4% margin of error when the government appointed standard is 10%.
easy, remover the 10% and now it only has to function to get a warrant.

[Dean]

I had to wait until the laughing stopped hurting. 58kph being described as reckless driving.

David Morrison - Chief of Army
“The standard you walk past is the standard you accept”.