Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[rastuscat]

The media may have reported it but your man said the words
"Anything over the limit is speeding and anyone speeding can expect to be pulled over," police assistant commissioner, road policing, Dave Cliff said

Who said we'd be writing tickets at 1 over? He didn't.

[willytheekid]

Ahem, I must have missed the part where (a) people travelling at 1kph over the speed limit WILL be pulled over and (b) people travelling at 1kph over the speed limit WILL be issued a speeding ticket.


Bloody lot of hanky wringing knicker twisting Chicken Littles out there I tells ya...

Your right scummy...we should all just accept that the average Joe road user demands more focus than real criminals!

Nothing wrong with lowering the speed on the road, or enforcing a "fair tolerance" (thought 4k over was a tad tight but fair as it allows for honest mistakes and speedo inaccuracy etc etc blah blah)

But I think you are failing to see the bigger picture...that is REAL offenders are being given more rights than there victims and JOKE sentances by the courts!...repeat drink drivers? - 12th time caught? we "might" throw a real sentance at ya...real dangerous drivers? - community service and a joke fine! and it just keeps getting worse.
But the average joe!!...LETS TARGET THE FUCK OUT OF THEM!, and treat them like actual criminals while we are at!

Sorry mate...you may be a tad blind to the "new breed" that is seeping into the force...but the average Joe is not!...I also have friends and family in the force, and they too are concerned about the current intack of low IQ THUGS! that are currently being encouraged to join up...while the older mature and more STABLE members of the force are having more and more pressure put on them to get the fuck out!...whys that?...there morals and ethic's Just don't suit the new breed??(you tell me!)

Ive always had the higest respect for the police...tuff job with little thanks and lots of moans!...but this current "effort" to seperate the force from the public's trust and respect?...I just don't understand


case in point...

I "used" to wave to the local popo...not anymore!
Last time I gave a popo car a friendly wave while sitting at the lights while waiting paitently for them to detect me...they immediately and violently swung the car round(uturns not there thing aye)...they got out, and said "WHATS YOUR PROBLEM!!"...ahh, nothing...sir!, I just shot you a wave ..."WELL DON'T!...license, rego, warrent, where are going, where have you been..."...made me feel like I was a fucking criminal!...for waving!!

I only wave at the Bike popos now (When I see them!)

...Safer communities aye


But thankfully...I still have faith in the older popo such yourself, berg, Rastuscat etc...AND Im still dumb enough to still stop and help if its required...but sheeesh!...the young ones are NOT doing the force any favours...and its these young gun officers that WILL be exploiting this new "tolerance" just to have a reason to pull average Joe over and "flex there muscle"...and thats the primary concern mate, we are NOT the crim's you are looking for...there in court getting pampered to and slapped on the hand for REAL crime....think its time to stop treating us as such.

...still love ya work tho


ps...was bloody great to see the pay march in CHCH this week , a good old school tradition that also looks very professional and gives the community a chance to see those who serve in there finest (except they had our bike mate popo's standing way at the back watching...wtf!)

[James Deuce]

Who said we'd be writing tickets at 1 over? He didn't.

You're wasting your breath mate, they've made their minds up.

[pete376403]

Whether this will be the case or not, how much police goodwill has been pissed away. When whats-his-name on Police 10-7 says something like "police need your help to identify these ….da da da etc" how many will just say, "Nah, fuckit, let the popo do the job they're paid to do"

[R650R]

What sort of GPS are you talking about though? If you refer to the one in my phone then that is bullshit.

There has been ample use of GPS including phone based ones to set court precendents in NZ that they are accurate representation of speed in serious accident cases.
A court judge stated this during a mates case where he decided against the location aspect (for logbook case) being kosha as it had not been tested in court before among other factors.

[R650R]

Well, the police themselves have just given us an outstanding example ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay...ectid=11368598

Note in that case they have set him up to walk away scot free as Dangerous driving is a very difficult charge to prove, should just be careless use and be done with it a lot quicker.
An earlier article stated he accelerated rapidly out of a roundabout and hit another car that was already moving in same direction. The damage to his car looked very minor.

[R650R]

Whether this will be the case or not, how much police goodwill has been pissed away. When whats-his-name on Police 10-7 says something like "police need your help to identify these ….da da da etc" how many will just say, "Nah, fuckit, let the popo do the job they're paid to do"

Actually many of us will say Nah fuckit nothing will happen to offender anyway... Said this to one of their idiot civilians who got lippy on the phone while calling in some aggressive vandals outside our house.
He got upset when I said its all prob a waste of time, nothing will be done to them anyway... nek minnit they send some geriatric in community patrol nana car to sit in our driveway with high beams on and not get out of car.... what a joke.
Several weeks later the same bunch (fairly sure but solid evidence) of vandals set fire to another neighbours fence starting a significant fire that partially spread to house wall. elderly people living there could have been fatal if it weren't for a wideload pilot car passing tooting his horn like crazy to wake every one up.
Soon these senseless teen vandals will kill someone but its a non event on police priority list, but 4k over and instant attention. I'm tempted to buy these shits a car so they can go wrap themselves around a powerpole... is that illegal to gift a legal driver a WOF and regod car with tank of gas???

[scumdog]

When whats-his-name on Police 10-7 says something like "police need your help to identify these ….da da da etc" how many will just say, "Nah, fuckit, let the popo do the job they're paid to do"

Ah, the statement of a true numpty! (Not you...I think!)

While they feel good about their "Nah fuckit" attitude it's not exactly doing much for any victim, is it?

At the end of the day the popo stil get paid - even if the 'non-helpers' make it that much more difficult for them to catch any bad guy.

[scumdog]

Note in that case they have set him up to walk away scot free as Dangerous driving is a very difficult charge to prove, should just be careless use and be done with it a lot quicker.
An earlier article stated he accelerated rapidly out of a roundabout and hit another car that was already moving in same direction. The damage to his car looked very minor.

The judge is quite a liberty to amend the charge to careless driving which is easy to prove, happens regularly.

Or didn't you know that?

[R650R]

The judge is quite a liberty to amend the charge to careless driving which is easy to prove, happens regularly.

Or didn't you know that?

But will he when its one of the A-team in the lineup....

More likely to be "there is insufficient evidence to prove this charge and no public interest for such minor crash to waste further the courts time"

[scumdog]

But will he when its one of the A-team in the lineup....

More likely to be "there is insufficient evidence to prove this charge and no public interest for such minor crash to waste further the courts time"

Maybe
Maybe not

But you and I aren't God so we don't know all the facts - or the actual outcome.

[Big Dog]

Yes it does, less exposure to risk = lower overall risk. Very hard to die in a car crash if you're sitting in your living room at home.

The noise seems to have died down a bit now, which probably means the policy will be applied but just not advertised.

Either way, as suggested above you're now likely to have people fixated on their speedo's and braking on every downhill to avoid being ticketed for a few k's over the limit, rather than observing what's happening in the world past their windscreen.

Not really.
The less kms I do per year the less practiced I am at road craft.
Doing less kms per year means that my risk per km goes up.
Doing less kms that are not purely transport as a ratio of total riding means less drills and less practical experience.
My exposure remains about the same. Just my annual risk now applies to less kms.

[awayatc]

Ah, the statement of a true numpty! (Not you...I think!)

While they feel good about their "Nah fuckit" attitude it's not exactly doing much for any victim, is it?

At the end of the day the popo stil get paid - even if the 'non-helpers' make it that much more difficult for them to catch any bad guy.

Unfortunately glorified traffic wardens and real cops wear same outfits.....
people in general like cops and would happily help .....
Parking Hittlers however have managed to alienate just about everybody who rides or drives....

if police wants some respect back, then it would be a good idea to dress up the wannabees a tad differently....

That way we could spot the difference,....and since most of us mainly or only deal with intolerant despicable little no good traffic nazis, we all learned to hate all cops.....

[Madness]

If there were ever a time that KB really needed tags, this might just be it.

[Big Dog]

bukake!


you can fuck right off. There are 12 year olds i would give the keys to any vehicle up to the 4.0. Mainly to drive me home from the pub, but still.

your average fuckwit (you) i wouldnt trust with grandmas tercel.

Young fullas can be trained. Its know-it-all old fucks that worry me.

I think I agree with some of your post...

To me to get to be a good old driver you need to go though several stages.

1 Young non driver - observing and learning from the examples set. That's right folks, if you want your kids to drive like dbags drive like a dbag.
2 Young learner - Leaning the mechanics of driving. Under supervision. The greatest knowledge uptake per hour spent training is believed to be 14-18.
3 Young unsupervised Learner - operating without supervision on occasion. Works best with regular supervision intermittently. This stage takes longer if you don't drive much or you are older to start with.
4 Unsupervised learner - This stage never really ends. There is always something new to learn.

I have been riding and driving for 25 years. In that time the technology of cars, roading, civil engineering and a whole swag more has changed. The acceptable strategies of "urban survival skill", traffic management, traffic density, hazard management, defensive driving and many other road craft "arts" have changed. Practices preached 25 years ago may not be appropriate in a modern car.
Examples:
My first Defensive driving course advised to always pump the brakes on the approach to a slow down area in the wet, it is generally accepted that this is a good way to stop your ABS from working effectively.
My first and second Defensive Driving course contained no mention of the differences in the handling of a FWD / RWD / 4x4 / MERWD. My third and my Advanced Defensive Driving course went into great detail. Why? The influx of Japanese cars when the tarrifs came off.

Relative to mankind motorized transport is a very new thing, hard to say from this perspective because I don't know what the next 1000 years will bring, but I doubt motorized transport is even potty trained.

If anyone knows an elite rider / driver on the world stage I reckon if you ask them they learn new stuff all the time.