Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

**R650R** · 9th December 2014, 22:01

Originally Posted by caspernz

Well Scoober, it might surprise you that if I asked my truck driving colleagues to list collective close calls with "enthusiastically operated" emergency vehicles in various parts of the country it becomes quite a substantial list. Hate to say it but the HP boys come third on that list...

Now you've moved to paradise city beware of the one that likes to pull cars up on the left lane of the two lane Takanini overpass section of southern motorway...
I wonder if their allowed to turn the traction control off on those new SV6 patrol cars... could fiim some nice police drifting videos outside my house....

**Reckless** · 9th December 2014, 22:01

oh yeh here to??

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...U_TURN-blunder

Mods can merge it or leave it where it is?? I don't mind?

**caspernz** · 10th December 2014, 05:30

Originally Posted by R650R

Now you've moved to paradise city beware of the one that likes to pull cars up on the left lane of the two lane Takanini overpass section of southern motorway...

Onboard camera use is encouraged for all dubious activities...

**scumdog** · 10th December 2014, 05:39

Originally Posted by R650R

Pictures or it never happened.... oh here we go

https://www.facebook.com/delta10seve...type=1&theater

Meh, it'll buff out...

(And FB is worse than KB for moronic ranting, I might join!)

**R650R** · 10th December 2014, 06:23

Originally Posted by scumdog

Meh, it'll buff out...

(And FB is worse than KB for moronic ranting, I might join!)

That truck page is diabolical and a tad embarrassing to the industry... it does offer an interesting insight into the mindset of the (less than) average driver out there and the attitudes that cause crashes.

**caspernz** · 10th December 2014, 06:44

Originally Posted by R650R

That truck page is diabolical and a tad embarrassing to the industry... it does offer an interesting insight into the mindset of the (less than) average driver out there and the attitudes that cause crashes.

Not really, every group has a vocal minority, while the majority just takes care of business.

**Ulsterkiwi** · 10th December 2014, 07:59

I am curious.
Forget about this particular incident as we dont know the whole story. BUT, for the sake of discussion a police officer on duty has an accident and its shown to be his/her fault. What happens? Do they actually get prosecuted as anyone else would? Do they have their police driving ticket revoked? Do they have a stand down period or have to do remedial training? I am the first to accept police officers are human like everyone else and mistakes will happen but in the course of driving a police vehicle in a duty period they might be called upon to drive in a manner not normally permitted for regular road use. I have no issue with that and understand the need, if I needed emergency services I would be pissed off if they stopped for every red light and didnt move through traffic. That said I dont think it is unreasonable such drivers are expected to perform at a much higher standard OR that they maintain those standards over the course of time. So, what happens?

**haydes55** · 10th December 2014, 11:44

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

I am curious.

Forget about this particular incident as we dont know the whole story. BUT, for the sake of discussion a police officer on duty has an accident and its shown to be his/her fault. What happens? Do they actually get prosecuted as anyone else would? Do they have their police driving ticket revoked? Do they have a stand down period or have to do remedial training? I am the first to accept police officers are human like everyone else and mistakes will happen but in the course of driving a police vehicle in a duty period they might be called upon to drive in a manner not normally permitted for regular road use. I have no issue with that and understand the need, if I needed emergency services I would be pissed off if they stopped for every red light and didnt move through traffic. That said I dont think it is unreasonable such drivers are expected to perform at a much higher standard OR that they maintain those standards over the course of time. So, what happens?

I expect them to not fuck up basic shit that even learners have to know. I expect their actions to be done with a degree of common sense. Deliberately using the vehicle in a dangerous/risky manner is not necessary to perform their job.

If they cause a crash that could have been avoided whilst still performing their duties, then they should be prosecuted. If a police car is crashed while pursuing a runner, then prosecute the cop, they fucked up, they should drive better, the person they were chasing managed to negotiate that corner safely, and the cop didn't then the cop is a more dangerous driver than the person they are trying to prosecute for driving dangerously.

**Swoop** · 10th December 2014, 16:14

Originally Posted by roogazza

Hey fellas ,at least we haven't got this going on ?
Adelaide hills , Australia.

I hope he took the equipment with him. We don't want to have dangerous things left on the roadside.

**Tazz** · 10th December 2014, 16:53

Originally Posted by roogazza

Hey fellas ,at least we haven't got this going on ?
Adelaide hills , Australia.
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Yeah we do. Up the Rai Valley they'll have a cop hidden pinging you and further down the road they'll issue you their mandatory payment autograph.
Straight from the horses mouth in the Marlborough Express some time last year.

And don't they also hang out in camper vans dishing out tickets between games of cards?

Never been done by either method mind.

**rastuscat** · 10th December 2014, 18:31

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

I am curious.
Forget about this particular incident as we dont know the whole story. BUT, for the sake of discussion a police officer on duty has an accident and its shown to be his/her fault. What happens? Do they actually get prosecuted as anyone else would? Do they have their police driving ticket revoked? Do they have a stand down period or have to do remedial training? I am the first to accept police officers are human like everyone else and mistakes will happen but in the course of driving a police vehicle in a duty period they might be called upon to drive in a manner not normally permitted for regular road use. I have no issue with that and understand the need, if I needed emergency services I would be pissed off if they stopped for every red light and didnt move through traffic. That said I dont think it is unreasonable such drivers are expected to perform at a much higher standard OR that they maintain those standards over the course of time. So, what happens?

We are subject to the same laws as everyone else, and so we should be.

Legislation allows certain exemptions eg parking, exceeding speed limit, going through red lights, when acting in execution of duty.

But nothing discharges our duty of care pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Worry not, I've seen a ton of cops charged over the years. Wrote a ticket for one after a crash a couple of years back. He and I still laugh about it. He knew he'd blown it, and knew what I had to do.

The days of sweeping under the carpet are gone.

**Ocean1** · 10th December 2014, 18:39

Originally Posted by rastuscat

The days of sweeping under the carpet are gone.

There's still some fucking big lumps under there though...

**Ulsterkiwi** · 10th December 2014, 18:43

Originally Posted by rastuscat

We are subject to the same laws as everyone else, and so we should be.

Legislation allows certain exemptions eg parking, exceeding speed limit, going through red lights, when acting in execution of duty.

But nothing discharges our duty of care pursuant to the Land Transport Act.

Worry not, I've seen a ton of cops charged over the years. Wrote a ticket for one after a crash a couple of years back. He and I still laugh about it. He knew he'd blown it, and knew what I had to do.

The days of sweeping under the carpet are gone.

cheers for the response and it is reassuring to read that response. You have answered half the query. Subject to the same laws makes sense, writing tickets makes sense. I am wondering about remedial action however. Many other professional groupings are obliged to demonstrate they are able to continue executing responsibilities to the appropriate standard. So lets say for the sake of argument a mistake is made which causes significant harm to people or property, is a police driver allowed to continue to be a police driver in light of that? I dont even mean some kind of permanent ban, but I can think of any number of jobs where some kind of refresher training or supervision is put in place if serious mistakes are made.

**R650R** · 10th December 2014, 19:54

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

... What happens? Do they actually get prosecuted as anyone else would? ...That said I dont think it is unreasonable such drivers are expected to perform at a much higher standard...

They do, but the problem is they get the same wet bus ticket sentances and leniency due to mitigating circumstances that joe public also enjoys too...
Their actions represent such a small group as a percentage of all other threats from bad road users that its not worth worrying about. It prob seems worse than it is as its always spectacular much how like a truck rollover represents higher news value than a car that has had same crash when the circumstances causing it may have been same.