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    Personally I try to take corners so that I could stop on half the available distance.
    Even if the person coming the other way does not do the same this is usually good enough to initiate evasive or at least damage reducing accidents.


    Not every accident is avoidable, but it is your responsibility to either avoid or mitigate as much harm as possible.

    If that is not your view you should not be operating heavy machinery or using the road.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    But with every other vehicle on the road effectively being a "Sign" as you put it you would be best to give up riding. As a matter of interest what is the "sign" in advance that someone is coming around a corner on the wrong side of the road? I say there is no "Sign".
    Why would I give up? I'm not the one having accidents since I actually bother to read the 'signs'. The sign there is, a vehicle on the wrong side of the road coming towards you. Standard defensive riding practice is to be able to stop within the distance you can see, while an oncoming car of course eats into that distance, there would still be plenty of time to react and have a slow speed biff into the ditch as the worst case; which is a far better worst case than riding straight into a head-on without applying brakes at all as you seem to think is the only option there; comparing those two options I would say, perhaps it is best you give up riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    You are about the thickest cunt (or one of the best trolls) to have ever graced this forum that is Kiwi Biker. Please keep it up, it is a great source of entertainment.
    Madness would come a close 2nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I am possibly a better defensive rider than you think as I have been riding non stop since 1976. I just don't try and claim that all accidents that are not your fault are avoidable like what you guys do and have experienced a few unlike you guys perhaps. The other guy said he was hit by a driver who did not look and that he would not have been hit had he been better positioned in the lane. I was hit by a car doing a U turn and was correctly positioned in the lane but from now on if I think there is a risk of that happening will ride the centre line of the road to give me a bit more time. I would not be so arrogant to make a claim that such a practise will work at all times in the future though.
    Suggest you attend an ACC subsidised rider training programme in your area, you will probably get more out of it
    if you open your ears and shut your mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I am possibly a better defensive rider than you think as I have been riding non stop since 1976. I just don't try and claim that all accidents that are not your fault are avoidable like what you guys do and have experienced a few unlike you guys perhaps. The other guy said he was hit by a driver who did not look and that he would not have been hit had he been better positioned in the lane. I was hit by a car doing a U turn and was correctly positioned in the lane but from now on if I think there is a risk of that happening will ride the centre line of the road to give me a bit more time. I would not be so arrogant to make a claim that such a practise will work at all times in the future though.
    I was hit in spite of being in the left hand wheel track fully within my lane. Because my left arm got struck. Pinwheeling the bike. I was completely in my lane, but looking at it in retrospect if I had been 6 inches to the right she could not have clipped my arm without hitting the row of cars waiting at the lights.


    As to signs you might get in advance ( I have):
    Farm vehicles - often have someone passing them in blind corners.

    Approaching sirens - don't always stay on their side if the road.

    Screeching tyres - a reason I am not fond of loud bikes.

    Approaching helicopters - in the case I am thinking if it was the eagle helicopter with its million power search light. I pulled over knowing something was up but not what. Sedan with no lights came round the corner at a great rate o knots.

    A vehicle moving particularly fast - often followed by another.

    Etc.


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    Again not all accidents are avoidable by both parties but you do have to do your bit.


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    Ps. I was 2 in 76. So I was not riding defensively then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I am possibly a better defensive rider than you think as I have been riding non stop since 1976. I just don't try and claim that all accidents that are not your fault are avoidable like what you guys do and have experienced a few unlike you guys perhaps. The other guy said he was hit by a driver who did not look and that he would not have been hit had he been better positioned in the lane. I was hit by a car doing a U turn and was correctly positioned in the lane but from now on if I think there is a risk of that happening will ride the centre line of the road to give me a bit more time. I would not be so arrogant to make a claim that such a practise will work at all times in the future though.
    There are NO accidents that aren't your own fault. They're all avoidable. They're usually the result of arrogance, ego, or ignorance, or a combination of all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    There are NO accidents that aren't your own fault. They're all avoidable. They're usually the result of arrogance, ego, or ignorance, or a combination of all three.
    The job exceeding the tools in the kit.

    Not enough tools? Get more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by buggerit View Post
    Suggest you attend an ACC subsidised rider training programme in your area, you will probably get more out of it
    if you open your ears and shut your mouth.
    You have been riding 38 yrs, fuck, buy a lotto ticket too!
    I suggest the IAMS course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Ok then wise guy explain how you would avoid being hit by a car driver who thinks the bridge he is about to cross is 2 lane and not one lane as you are about to exit it on a bend? I was lucky to be in my car that day but would have been killed on a bike.

    Keep on thinking whatever you like.
    Sounds like poor observation to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    I suggest the IAMS course...
    Too crunchy.
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    Hypothetical situations filled with variables only known to you are called: A Set Up.

    I was referring to your observational skills. Those are the only ones you can control.
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Don't you think if I have been riding that long I would be riding pretty much the same way that is taught in any training programme anyway?
    Training programmes do not offer you full protection against situations that are the fault of others.

    I have yet to read someone on here saying their "IAMs" (as an example) training has saved them when another driver screwed up.
    Ive been riding since 1971 and am still learning, they say to give up when you stop learning.
    Training programmes dont offer full protection but they do improve your odds if your mind is open to learning.
    Nothing offers fool protection which you seem to require.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I am possibly a better defensive rider than you think as I have been riding non stop since 1976. I just don't try and claim that all accidents that are not your fault are avoidable like what you guys do and have experienced a few unlike you guys perhaps. The other guy said he was hit by a driver who did not look and that he would not have been hit had he been better positioned in the lane. I was hit by a car doing a U turn and was correctly positioned in the lane but from now on if I think there is a risk of that happening will ride the centre line of the road to give me a bit more time. I would not be so arrogant to make a claim that such a practise will work at all times in the future though.
    Well, it would be fucking difficult to be a worse one than I think you are In fact most people who use time/age etc to show how good they are, tend to be the most set in their ways, and hearing of all the accidents you've had, your ways are shit.

    We don't claim that it will work at all times, the post you just quoted clearly shows that. However, riding like it will is the best way to maximise the chances that it will Arrogance goes both ways, like it is arrogant to say there is nothing more you could have done to avoid an accident, in that arrogance is characterised by an unwillingness to learn. I'd prefer the 'arrogance' that lets me avoid accidents, and I'm sure fido would prefer me to ride that way too.
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