Poll: Who's going to win on Saturday?

[scumdog]

Watching the election shit on TV at the mo., Labour blah-blah-blah at present, just behind Sir Helen to her right is a dummy wot looks like a woman with a grey beard, who IS this figure ??

[Waylander]

Is it just me or has Helen gotten uglier?

[MikeL]

Hmmm... not a convincing riposte...

(1) Do NOT believe there should be race based seats - should only be on merit.
So it's a matter of principle? Your actual quality of life is not diminished by the existence of separate Maori seats, which are important symbolically to Maori as a recognition of their status as tangata whenua? Or do you believe that this status should not be recognised?
(2) Increase front line Police numbers in N.Z. - and not send so many overseas etc.
And you would forego any tax cuts to pay for increased spending on police? What about education, health...?
(3)None have 'vowed' to - but rest assured with the help of Alper the Wanker they WILL try, especially Labour.
So it's just a hypothetical possibility then? Not policy?
(4) Give a cut-off date, after that? nada, none zilch 'pay-outs', we have enough leeches as it is and all those depending on Treaty pay-outs will never get their sorry arses off the ground if they think they are going to get a hand-out. (would YOU under the same circumstances)?.
So all Treaty settlements have gone to pond-dwelling scum who squander your hard-earned money ? None has gone into investing in infrastructure or education or anything positive?
(5)Our money, for instance what benefit has any help to the Solomons,Afghanistan etc ever brought to N.Z.??
So if we abolished all overseas aid would the few extra cents in your weekly take-home pay compensate for the loss of international reputation?
(5) Haven't the time but just compare the pre-election 'promises' with what actually happens AFTER the elections.
So the Maoris, Greens and Jim Anderton don't actually have a track record of consistent dishonesty?

[Gremlin]

Watching the election shit on TV at the mo., Labour blah-blah-blah at present, just behind Sir Helen to her right is a dummy wot looks like a woman with a grey beard, who IS this figure ??

hubby?? I think. The one that thought she was hot wearing leather and riding scooter

[Gremlin]

Is it just me or has Helen gotten uglier?

Stop perving at her in woman's day.

[Waylander]

Stop perving at her in woman's day.

Gods man, I may be desperate but not THAT desperate.

[scumdog]

Hmmm... not a convincing riposte...

Must be - you haven't questioned any of it.

[Gremlin]

Gods man, I may be desperate but not THAT desperate.

Beeeeeeaaaauuuuutiful close up at the moment for you

[Waylander]

Beeeeeeaaaauuuuutiful close up at the moment for you

Think I may just go rip out my eyes now.

[MikeL]

Must be - you haven't questioned any of it.

I give up. Off to bed.
Yaaaaaaawn....

[Milky]

Twas an interesting night of results, especially the evaporation of the initial spread between the major parties. The next couple of weeks will be intriguing, given Dunne's position on Labour-Green coalition, and the possibility of a Maori party/National agreement on the other side. Labour looks to have the most options at the moment, but I imagine it will be another minority govt propped up by confidence and supply.

What are your thoughts on Brash? He had indicated that he might stay around if the Nats lost this election, but I think given his performance, he would be a good choice to keep on for the 2008 campaign. I for one quite like his 'non politician' politiking. Tis greatly refreshing, and with a couple more years in govt/opposition he would make a good PM.

[scumdog]

I give up. Off to bed.
Yaaaaaaawn....

Ah, a good politicians response, you weren't standing for any party were you??

[Ixion]

Hmmm... not a convincing riposte...

Well, in the interests of debate:

1. Since, by definition, Maori seats mean preferential treatment for a minority part of society based solely on race, this must be detrimental to the quality of life of the non preferred race. The fact that this detriment cannot readily be quantified or particularised does not invalidate it. Can YOU specifiy EXACTLY how global warming affects your quality of life. Today ? (As an example). It's an old debating trick to demand that an opponent particularise that which is in its nature general.

2.How much does 8 foot of hempen rope cost?

3. Verso, what parties have undertaken to assure firearms ownership in the community?

4. Calling for a stop to the Treaty grievance industry is not the same as calling for its repudiation. You extend Mr Scumdog's position beyond what his statements will admit. He didn't say repudiate it. Do you argue that the taxpayer should be willing to continue to foot the expense , for all time to come, of an endless series of bottomless claims ? (No, that's not what you said, but it's no more unfair than you served him)

5. Whose money? As always, the taxpayers. The poor sods who get up each morning and slog their guts out, to earn a wage that governments promptly takes away from them to hand over to other people. Many of whom are not even New Zealanders, and many of whom haven't done an honest stroke of work in years. It is remarkable that the left always assume that workers have no right to the produce of their toil.

6. It is quite possible to be certain that a person is dishonest without being able to prove a specific act of dishonesty. Richard Nixon was never convicted of a single falsehood. Believe he was honest?

[scumdog]

Hmmm... not a convincing riposte...

(1) Why should it be ME that pays? - I'd rather see that money spent on education.hospitals etc. for ALL.
(2)Why would I need to 'forego any tax cuts"? The Gov't has already spent that money, all I ask is that it be spent HERE.
(3) None have vowed? Fair point but they ARE a member of U.N , just look at THEIR policies.
(4)No, I never mentioned "pond dwelling scum' BUT I don't expect centuries of hand-outs and I don't expect anybody else to get them either, let people have dignity and stand on their own two feet.
(5)International reputation? from the Solomons and Somalia? sorry, the point went right over my head but I can't see NZ being THAT much better off as a result of a better "international reputation"
(6)I never mentioned parties but they ALL have convenient amnesia when it suits.

[campbellluke]

Im just gonna tick all the boxes to piss them off

I was a counter last election where some asshole decided to use their right to vote to do that. Had to ring and announce that there was a person the voted in a "special" way for no specific party. Really annoying and a waste of time.

I hope you didn't do that for the sake of the counters :-(

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Anyhow:

Labour - Progressive - United Future - NZ First - Maori Party makes 64 seats?

Hopefully the special votes will bring Progressive up to 1.3% to take up another seat and screw up National even more